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Thercio
Totally worth it, in my opinion.
i used to exercise daily for a decent amount of time, but these days i have been too busy setting up my stream and can hardly make time in between to justify stuffing my face with delicious carbs 😭
11:41 PM
Fred Meyer/Kroeger, the second name sounds familiar. I'll have to see if I have any nearby
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TenderSausage 12/1/2022 11:42 PM
They almost always have it as "Cassava Flour" (edited)
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I think around here its called cassava flour or yucca flour
11:42 PM
yes!! thats it!
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Cassava flour is yet another product of mandioca
11:42 PM
You can eat it with lunch
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TenderSausage 12/1/2022 11:42 PM
Damn, what we don't know up here in the USA
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Thercio
You can eat it with lunch
TenderSausage 12/1/2022 11:43 PM
How? Like grits?
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cassava grits with some cheese and sausage... I'd be down
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You can mix it with the sauce from boiled fish/seafood to make pirão, which is a kind of a heavy cream. Especially good if you got coconut milk.
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You can also eat it with rice and beans, and anything else you'd have for lunch.
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Pirão seems a bit like grits, from what I've looked up
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from what i see in google images, pirão looks like it can come in different textures? some look grainy while others look more uniform, like a goop, if you will.
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I am not sure how else to describe it LOL
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TenderSausage 12/1/2022 11:47 PM
Pooridge-like
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Pirão and Farinha de Mandioca at the top right corner
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11:48 PM
This is a peixada, tipical seafood dish from my region,
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thank god i just ate and my stomach is full to the brim otherwise i would be in tears
11:50 PM
that looks amazing
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I think that costs like... 13~15 USD total.
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for the whole platter?
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Yeah
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I imagine that feeds about 8 people, so it seems. 6-8 servings per platter.
11:52 PM
If that's the case then the pricing is more than fair.
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They also got cassava fries there, their platter is way too large for only 2 people lol Went there with my girlfriend, but we had to take half home
11:55 PM
It's a very versatile root
11:55 PM
You can do so many different dishes with it.
11:56 PM
I think we need to have a cooking meet-up in our voice channels one of these days lol
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yea, my vovo would alway make then during family gatherings in the summer and i would stuff my face with them. so delicious and far superior to potato fries, in my opinion. the crunch is NEXT LEVEL. i would so be down for a cooking meet up.
11:57 PM
i love all things food and cooking
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Did he bring some mandiocas to plant in the US, when he moved?
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I swear, if one day I have to move, I'll bring some with me, inside my bag. They can grow as easily as potatoes.
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I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. You should def bring some over. They aren't nearly as accessible here, sadly. It's a shame tbh.
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To replant mandioca, you just have to bury part of the root again
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It'll grow back
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if i ever get my hands on one, i might try to plant it. but i am very bad at gardening/planting. anything I put in the soil tends to die, even when i take careful measures to keep it alive 😭
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Colourfulho 12/5/2022 5:32 AM
Ello does anyone know of a good video editing software thats cheap/free?
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Colourfulho
Ello does anyone know of a good video editing software thats cheap/free?
synthie_cat 12/5/2022 9:37 AM
You can go for DaVinci Resolve by Blackmagic Design which is free but has some paid features down the road. An alternative would be the Full Open Source Software KDEnlive.
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da vinki?
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Professional video editing, color correction, visual effects and audio post production all in a single application. Free and paid versions for Mac, Windows and Linux.
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synthie_cat 12/6/2022 1:30 PM
So I am kinda thinking about making a second channel to try out streaming in my native language (and not alienate my current viewer base). Does anyone here have experience with that? Like - did it work out for someone here? 🙂
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I was discussing this a few months ago with @DagonSA, since he streams in English and Polish. He may have some interesting feedback on this, when he's available.
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It's something that I also struggle with, since I haven't decided yet if I'll focus my own content in English or in Portuguese.
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I may end up creating a second channel to try things out too.
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ChronicMayhem 12/6/2022 2:42 PM
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real talk how do you guys recover from streamer burnout?
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I think it's a good question, even better if by answering, we can help narrow down on the causes, to prevent it from happening in the future (or at least minimize its effects)
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Are you going through burnout at the moment?
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yea, I think I keep getting tunnel visioned on the lack of numbers I'm seeing on bad stream days. like I'll have some great days where i see progress on my growth, but the next day i see no traction. I keep getting hard focused on those bad days rather than taking advantage of the good ones and end up putting a lot of pressure on myself content-wise.
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and i think thats why i'm experiencing burnout. but to be honest, I am having difficulties strapping down my content in general. my schedule is a mess lol. I'm trying to fix it but I am being very critical because of the adjustment period of changing the time and content of my stream.
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I hope that's not too long and makes sense. I've been struggling lol
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Maybe what you are experiencing is more frustration with the lack of perceptible progress, it could be considered a precursor to burnout
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Have you tried looking up your statistics on SullyGnome?
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i think that's definitely a part of it. i feel like the outside work i am doing to grow my channel off of twitch is not as helpful as i thought it would be. i am frustrated with figuring how to properly grow, but it takes time to learn that.
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I'll check that out, thank you so much!
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I know the struggle, I used Outward(love the game) to grow my channel "quickly", I enjoy the game and it has a good community, but can't play the game for too long, so I keep on seeing people randomly come in and go, not having more consistent viewers is discouraging, not a fun time for sure
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I dont know how long you've been streaming, but i wonder if this sentiment is especially true for newer streamers. attempting to fine tune your content can feel like futilely chipping away at a stone with two butter knives lol. you have no idea what you're doing, you can end up making a lot of mistakes (sometimes feeling like you're taking two steps back), and you have no idea how to apply the advice you're given.
8:32 PM
but it's nice to have a community that's available to help, or at least is there to vent frustrations to. and people who understand.
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I dont know how long you've been streaming, but i wonder if this sentiment is especially true for newer streamers. attempting to fine tune your content can feel like futilely chipping away at a stone with two butter knives lol. you have no idea what you're doing, you can end up making a lot of mistakes (sometimes feeling like you're taking two steps back), and you have no idea how to apply the advice you're given.
That's basically true for all new content creators. This first stage of finding out your own content can take a while. Hard as it may be, it's essential to define everything that you'll be doing. Your branding, community, workflow, creative process, affinities...
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There's no shortcuts, best thing we can do is take notes, and keep trying things out until you catch your 'it'
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that's true! mostly I've been excited to get up and start on the hard work. it's just tough when you realize you might've been focusing on the wrong things and have to reroute. It's kind of like finding your own identity and how to highlight the things that draw people to you.
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May sound a bit vague compared to most streaming advice, but I think it's better this way. You should adapt it to the content you wanna create, not your content to the advice given
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I think I see what you mean. Have an idea of what your ideal version what your content should be a strive for that, right?
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but it's nice to have a community that's available to help, or at least is there to vent frustrations to. and people who understand.
That's our main goal
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I think I see what you mean. Have an idea of what your ideal version what your content should be a strive for that, right?
Yeah!
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That's the main difference of "advice" that is made to imply that "you are doing your content wrong"
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Do it however you want, that's the whole point!
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When you get to a point where you decide where you want to go with your content, you should do your best to go the entire way. Even if you decide afterwards that this isn't where you want your content to be at, you'll have built enough experience to know which steps you want to take, either the short ones (to adjust the parts that don't work) or the long steps (as in, starting something from scratch)
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Done the long step a couple of times myself. (edited)
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Once I scrapped an entire overlay set to rebuild everything in a way that I believe works better for my content
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Had done a few reworks before, but nothing like this. And I feel much more confident that this is where I should be at, for the moment.
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I feel much better and optimistic about my content when you say it like this. Creating content in general is just an endless journey, and twitch is especially unique with the live aspect of streaming. You're doing everything in real time, you can't edit the boring part and just show the highlights.
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But in my experience, when you're viewing your favorite streamer, you dont mind being there for the boring parts. It's fun to interact with them, I guess that's what makes these moments less boring.
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This is the best approach we can take.
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It's no use to be expecting that every stream will be something more than the next. It's a process that's not measured in followers, subscribers or viewers, but in weeks, months, years.
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Which is plenty of time to continue working on your content.
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TenderSausage 12/6/2022 10:35 PM
Yeah, I'm skeptical
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I assume they're using AWS on the backend, so it's just Twitch with extra steps.
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And I really feel like if you haven't hit affiliate yet that "don't stream in over saturated categories" isn't gonna help
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Cause you need that viewers thing and if you're like me you can't seemingly f king get it
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The 3 average is the biggest..... Obstacle
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10:39 PM
And that's always been a massive issue
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yea I am not sure that the new trainwrecks gambling platform is going to go far. maybe at launch there will be a few earnest attempts at streaming, but i feel like it's just going to be an unregulated cesspool
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I tested it out today.
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First streamer that I clicked was streaming the first Avengers movie while he was AFK. So that's a thing that happens on Kick, apparently. (edited)
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Thercio
First streamer that I clicked was streaming the first Avengers movie while he was AFK. So that's a thing that happens on Kick, apparently. (edited)
synthie_cat 12/7/2022 12:10 AM
the MPAA would like to know your location 🤣
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synthie_cat 12/7/2022 12:12 AM
Most viewers in gambling
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The rest of the people that I saw streaming there was either gambling, pretending to be experts about a copy-paste Twitch platform, or not even streaming their game properly
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synthie_cat 12/7/2022 12:12 AM
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Yep
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Only thing that I did was to reserve my tag, and that was it.
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synthie_cat 12/7/2022 12:15 AM
Probably a good call
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off to a good start
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Thercio
The rest of the people that I saw streaming there was either gambling, pretending to be experts about a copy-paste Twitch platform, or not even streaming their game properly
TenderSausage 12/7/2022 1:44 AM
So what you're saying is there's a lot of green fields
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I'm guessing that purple was already taken risitas
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kentwon_the_boss 12/7/2022 3:24 AM
Yo
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Wowwwww this kick is just a literal Twitch ripoff, amazing. It's worse than I could have imagined.
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Oh wow and Infowars has a channel. Definitely not even signing up, I do not want these people to have even a shred of my information. (edited)
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TenderSausage 12/8/2022 2:39 PM
I feel like I’m in the same camp.
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To me, the complete lack of transparency of any kind, on top of the existing streamer base of Kick being majority gamblers and money changers who have interest in the company and don’t really want to see the platform grow with the same audiences as Twitch . Train might, but he’s a fool if he thinks this isn’t a bag grab by the investors trying to bilk kids out of their lunch money from virtual slots, and Train glorifies that without taking any responsibility. I see a lot of people saying how Train is such a philanthropist, but it seems performative to me to the end of securing a few more dollars in the slot machines.
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There has yet to be a good-faith explanation as to why they have been so secretive about their affiliations, and aside from the 95/5 split (a completely unsustainable figure long-term) have given streamers no reason to move.
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TenderSausage
There has yet to be a good-faith explanation as to why they have been so secretive about their affiliations, and aside from the 95/5 split (a completely unsustainable figure long-term) have given streamers no reason to move.
TenderSausage 12/8/2022 6:41 PM
I'm going to keep going on this thought, because I have time at the moment. I'm struggling from a technologist perspective to understand how Kick can be profitable long-term, considering what is needed to successfully run a streaming company at scale, with a guarantee of 95/5 split. Early adopters need to understand: You will be grinding. You have a much lower n value, the number of viewers on the platform, so you will have a much smaller pot to draw from. Yes, you will be more visible for the next few weeks, but once more accounts appear and more people go live, that's when the technological issues are going to start mounting and the discovery will dive off the chart. Unless you have a loyal audience that is willing to give up any existing paid subs and shift to another platform (and pay a new sub fee), all power to you. Train may be of the size to make that shift without seeing a substantial falloff of revenue, but I'm also sure he has a pocket deal with Kick that ensures him revenue regardless based on the revenues pulled in from the gambling side. Kick.com (unofficially and according to my research) is backed by Easygo, an Australian gambling software developer, and Stake.com, Easygo's online Casino based out of the Country of Curaçao. For those unaware, the Country of Curaçao is a literal tax haven, built from the ground up to hide tax revenues from governments. It's an ideal place to run an unregulated casino, because they're not actually performing business in the Country of Curaçao because it's on the internet, so it's tax free! It's morally criminal, honestly, but technically legal. The morals and ethics question is pretty huge. I haven't read the TOS or anything, and I've not been to Kick.com longer than a minute to browse the main page, so I'm talking a little bit out of school, but from the reports I'm seeing about rampant pornography, copyrighted materials, and the glaringly obvious fact that gambling is being shown to (read: forced onto) underage viewership. This company should have had this content moderation aspect thought through and a solution in order before launching. It will be interesting to see how the company weathers that. (edited)
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michalightning (she/her) 12/8/2022 8:48 PM
lol! what did you guys get??
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TenderSausage 12/8/2022 8:54 PM
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I think I spend a lot of time here...
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Is my shirt fishnet? Gross... (edited)
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I don't even remember going to r/warframe that often lol Must have kept a tab open some day
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"Leaning forwards while playing gives you +0 advantage" (edited)
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TenderSausage 12/8/2022 9:06 PM
An Epic?!? Lucky...
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My 9 Karma over here
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too many alt accounts, I guess
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I'm too lazy to get a secondary account risitas
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TenderSausage 12/8/2022 9:08 PM
Secondary... Funny.
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Why stop at 2?!?
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My favorite is "AnObviousAltAccount"
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Waaaay more karma over there, but not 20K karma. Good lord!
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@Thercio The true Reddit Lord over here
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Ignore the graphic glitches currently. Xorg Screenshots can be weird, will solve that another time 🤣
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Click to see attachment 🖼️
synthie_cat 12/8/2022 10:50 PM
I must say that this feels extremely weird to me. I didn't play much Eldenring and didn't post anything in the sub. Seems that anarchist/ political subs get removed.
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Even more strange a content creator friend recently found my account because I was explaining parts of my setup
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I must say that this feels extremely weird to me. I didn't play much Eldenring and didn't post anything in the sub. Seems that anarchist/ political subs get removed.
TenderSausage 12/8/2022 11:24 PM
I hear you. I'm pretty sure that 18 hours on r/bitburner was like, one day. I've only played that game a few times.
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LET'S GO!
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TenderSausage
LET'S GO!
synthie_cat 12/8/2022 11:25 PM
GG!
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TenderSausage 12/9/2022 10:47 PM
The supplies started rolling in!
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Nice
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Daniel_plays32 12/10/2022 9:46 PM
I really like kingdom hearts
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Hello everyone 🙂
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DagonSA
Hello everyone 🙂
synthie_cat 12/12/2022 9:59 AM
Welcome in, Dagon 🙂
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I shouldn't have to point this out but
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https://twitter.com/phoenixcopy/status/1601933454966407168?s=20&t=mlp9dTfJXb3guS7i6FoGyg these types of accounts (like the wealth one) are notoriously bullshit.
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When your first sentence is "Joe Rogan never marketed his podcast" but leave out 1) the immense amount of NAME FACTOR this man's employers had at the time (UFC, Fear Factor) and 2) the coinciding SEO help....
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your whole "just be consistent" arguement falls apart (edited)
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Because sure he never went "go listen to my podcast". BECAUSE FEAR FACTOR AND UFC DID IT FOR HIM BY PUTTING HIS NAME IN PEOPLES FACES
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So. Consistency is key yes, but the biggest fucking thing, and A FUCKTON of these "how to get big on twitch" things leave out is - burn out.
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if you're daily streaming, you're going to burn out, HARD.
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And the "stream in lower saturated categories, get in 1st two lines" strategy.... You always, ALWAYS have to factor in the 'How Far Do They Have To Scroll'
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Because if someone's clicking that next category slider, or that spinner... you're not gonna get seen if you go past roughly... 3 pages. If that.
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DagonSA
Hello everyone 🙂
Hello Dagon!
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When your first sentence is "Joe Rogan never marketed his podcast" but leave out 1) the immense amount of NAME FACTOR this man's employers had at the time (UFC, Fear Factor) and 2) the coinciding SEO help....
Of course they would say that... It's a group of self-congratulatory people that like to portray successful people as "self-made men".
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No basis in reality.
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if you're daily streaming, you're going to burn out, HARD.
And also, yes. There definitely are people who can stream every single day, and keep this routine going for months. But no one can escape burning out in a rhythm like that.
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I've seen many people trying to emulate "abnormal" creators that have found some measure of success while disregarding the evolution and improvement of their own content, in a way more appropriate for them. And many of these habits come from bad advice being echoed as common sense.
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As if repeating it enough would be enough to either make it the truth, or to make the consequences of these "advices" not exist.
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But the thing about categories is not about finding "the one" that balances out between high viewerbase and low number of creators, but finding one (or more) that fits your content the best, and stick with it/them
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I think we'll all agree that discoverability is close to zero on Twitch. Sticking to one category, consistency - I think it's more meant to help you by giving the potential viewers a chance to come back to you, have this anchor. About the whole 'hustle' thing - that sells, people want to believe that 'hey, I can ALSO be sucessful if I follow that person!". That was always the best marketing tactic 🙂 People do not care about survivorship bias, about lucky/rich parent - starts, etc. I would love to live my perfect dream: playing games for a living, but not having to do too much stuff. Having just enough people on chat. Earn more than I am earning in my normal work, without having any ads or sponsorship. Stream when I want to, and don't stream when I don't. But this is just wishful thinking, and I've learned enough to know that it won't look that way, unless I am in 0,0001% luckiest people in the world. So instead it's better to chill out, have some fun, and maybe - just maybe - you'll get to a spot which you enjoy. Unless, of course, you love to try-hard and that's something to grind your gears
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But you never should look at somebody else, only if it's a source of (empiric-based) inspiration 🙂
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Got a Rode PSA1+ for my birthday, necessitated an emergency rearrangement of my overhead camera mounting pole 😂
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@TenderSausage I figured it out! QT player has some setting that when wired I can stream my iPad screen to the computer.
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After minor tweaking, I also figure out how to capture the audio from the iPad onto the screen recording being done by the computer. A couple of steps closer!
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Chorazin
Got a Rode PSA1+ for my birthday, necessitated an emergency rearrangement of my overhead camera mounting pole 😂
Happy birthday!
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Thercio
Happy birthday!
Thank you!!
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Chorazin
Got a Rode PSA1+ for my birthday, necessitated an emergency rearrangement of my overhead camera mounting pole 😂
synthie_cat 12/12/2022 9:27 PM
Happy Birthday!
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Overhead cam for keyboard building? :3
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synthie_cat
Overhead cam for keyboard building? :3
I've had it for a while and use it for a bunch of stuff, actually! But that's part of the plan for Year 3. 🙂
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synthie_cat 12/13/2022 3:48 PM
Twitch is the world's leading video platform and community for gamers.
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I got my first sponsor ship today!
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GamerGuyTV
I got my first sponsor ship today!
synthie_cat 12/13/2022 3:58 PM
GG! 🙂
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it's hello fresh so it's gonna be hard to sell but I'm just thrilled I got one!
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Through StreamElements?
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They had some issues with payments for the HelloFresh sponsorships, that resulted in delayed payments to content creators, so just a heads-up, in case it happens to you as well.
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But from what I've seen, it only affected a minor number of creators.
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yeah, mine was through stream elements. I still need to go in and set up payment stuff. the max I can get is $900 but for my first sponsorship I don't expect to get that much
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Hey guys, I'm a new streamer and looking to create two streams from the same source/webcam. I'm an up and coming day trader and would like one stream to be faster (as close to real-time as possible) than the other one. The real-time stream will be to paid subscribers only. While the free stream, I would like to have a 5 second delay. Is this possible to do from one PC?
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Hey guys, I'm a new streamer and looking to create two streams from the same source/webcam. I'm an up and coming day trader and would like one stream to be faster (as close to real-time as possible) than the other one. The real-time stream will be to paid subscribers only. While the free stream, I would like to have a 5 second delay. Is this possible to do from one PC?
Better to write a post on #🔧│tech-support. Or wait for a response on the question that you asked on the subreddit.
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Hello everyone!
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synthie_cat 12/14/2022 9:53 AM
A friend of mine posted this here to Twitter and I kinda want to use it to remind everyone that are unhappy with their streaming this year that it also applies to our field of interest:
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https://twitter.com/Tobydotexe/status/1602961745009680384 (Have a look at the second picture.) (edited)
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Streaming - entertainment of others, really - is not about talent. It's about you defining what you want to do and keeping to learn. It takes a lot of dedication, luck and diligence to have your stream become what you envisioned. You might never become a streaming millionaire - but: does that really matter? Your stream is you expressing yourself. It is you being weird or funny, angry or happy, quirky or serious. (edited)
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Don't blindly follow advise (not even this one). Trust yourself and see what you want to do, reflect on what's right for you. There are no right choices on "what you as a streamer has to do" besides the choices you're taking. ❤️ (edited)
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JuiceManJerry 12/15/2022 6:58 PM
Would it be a terrible idea to use 2 GPUs in one computer? One for streaming and the other for games
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Like they’re different specs and completely independent from one another
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Or should I spend the money on a GPU that will be able to play games in a little higher res than my 1660 super
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Looks like subs can now use follower emotes across Twitch. A good upgrade, IMO.
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Would it be a terrible idea to use 2 GPUs in one computer? One for streaming and the other for games
TenderSausage 12/15/2022 10:10 PM
I should test this.
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JuiceManJerry 12/15/2022 10:11 PM
I really would like to know if it works out well cause an AMD GPU for gaming with my 1660 super handling the stream would be an incredible thing for me
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I just don’t have a 2nd GPU to test with
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In theory I could see driver issues hampering it
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Yeah it looks like there’s a chance the drivers won’t play nice and the config won’t work
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JuiceManJerry
Yeah it looks like there’s a chance the drivers won’t play nice and the config won’t work
TenderSausage 12/15/2022 11:04 PM
Because you're only using the 1660 for NVENC, I'm curious to know if we can use the Studio driver and get away with it. I use the Studio driver on my stream PC.
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Because you're only using the 1660 for NVENC, I'm curious to know if we can use the Studio driver and get away with it. I use the Studio driver on my stream PC.
JuiceManJerry 12/15/2022 11:05 PM
I’ve got a question I’ll ask in the thread
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hi anyone know how i can get permissions to post in the Streams section
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Bojo
hi anyone know how i can get permissions to post in the Streams section
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JuiceManJerry 12/16/2022 6:14 PM
It’s feeling super hard to get back into streaming
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Like idk if my already small community will come back
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Does it matter, really?
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If you think about it, even if you didn't take a break, people would move on, and new people would move into your community. It is natural.
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Communities evolve and change all the time, independent of the creator.
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JuiceManJerry 12/16/2022 6:53 PM
Yeah, I know, it’s just gonna be tough to come back from square one you know?
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Like should I just shutter twitch all together and jump over to YT?
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Complete fresh start
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If you want.
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Twitch and YouTube are different platforms, but you'll have to put in the same amount of work on your content anyways.
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When you consider what you can do on each platform, choosing one or another becomes just another detail.
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JuiceManJerry 12/16/2022 6:57 PM
Yeah I’m just saying if I’ve got to start all over a again idk switching platforms makes the idea of it feel less symbolic
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Just don't treat this as any sort of "set in stone decision". Try streaming to Youtube out, at least.
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JuiceManJerry 12/16/2022 7:01 PM
Yea. I mean there’s a chance those old viewers come back anyways
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It’s no guarantee they’re all gone forever
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Gonna be way easier to get them back on Twitch, it’s hard to get folks to follow you to a different platform. But if you aren’t counting on them coming over, a fresh start isn’t a bad idea, especially if your ideas for future content have changed.
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TenderSausage 12/16/2022 9:02 PM
Sorry y'all, due to insane work requirements I'm pushing the 2022 Review to tomorrow, same time. See you all then!
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Don't forget, our 2022 Review starts at 9:00 PM, your time today!
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I'm getting home in a couple of hours, and will be on 🔊Chat to talk with you guys before we start (edited)
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We'll send a ping 1 hour before the event starts (at 8:00 PM), so that everyone that shared their goals can get in here on time
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Let's start things up... https://discord.gg/pbgFdtAm
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I’ll be in soon
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@here ⚠TODAY'S EVENT WILL BE HELD ON THE 🔊Chat CHANNEL, SO THAT WE CAN SCREENSHARE ⚠
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Unfortunately, I can't stay long. But to answer the question, no I didn't get to achieve any of my goals this year. Life really took a toll on me. However, I do have list of goals that I'm going to trying for next year! Here's hoping!
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Unfortunately, I can't stay long. But to answer the question, no I didn't get to achieve any of my goals this year. Life really took a toll on me. However, I do have list of goals that I'm going to trying for next year! Here's hoping!
It's completely understandable, and I hope you reach your goals next year!
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To everyone that could attend to our first event, thank you! To those that couldn't, don't worry, we'll have more events soon!
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How was the event? 🙂 I guess I could myself use some goal setting again after that pesky 2022 😅
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It was fun :3 nice to chat to everyone, we got a bit off track with the goals talk haha you should join us next time ❤️
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Daniel_plays32 12/19/2022 9:42 AM
Yeah it was fun
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It was fun :3 nice to chat to everyone, we got a bit off track with the goals talk haha you should join us next time ❤️
TenderSausage 12/19/2022 4:23 PM
Sorry about the wandering from the track, that has a lot to do with me leading the event with a very quickly made agenda. Next time it will be far more organized, I felt like we just needed to get one under our belt to know how it would go.
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Originally, I had intended on having a presentation with rankings and things, but the data was hard to work with/analyze. That's something I want to improve for next year.
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I might need to make a bot for it to give me an easier way to work with the responses, and maybe add a way to automate tracking and reporting.
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Sorry about the wandering from the track, that has a lot to do with me leading the event with a very quickly made agenda. Next time it will be far more organized, I felt like we just needed to get one under our belt to know how it would go.
synthie_cat 12/19/2022 4:28 PM
I think it was perfect the way it was. It was a first try and gave a lot new impulses.
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Yeah it was fun regardless 😄 I think we all contributed to the meandering haha
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W SEO
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Sad thing is right I don't even stream on the jabeenus twitch anymore
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yikes and the brziperiod one links to my old dead twitter
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TenderSausage 12/20/2022 2:40 PM
Mine could be worse...
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Morning all
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"how to cook sausage the best way" xD (edited)
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TenderSausage 12/20/2022 3:37 PM
It's important information to know
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Nobody likes a dry, chewy sausage. That's jerky.
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My.God. That is brilliant. Instead of people being toxic, I'm going to use the word "jerky" instead!
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meat-related double entendre FTW
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You can add it to your chat rules on Twitch. Rule N° 1: Be nice, don't be jerky
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I'm starting up a modded mc smp for creators to play on. Does anyone want to be a part of this?
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That would be a great idea!
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I'd join you.
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Awesome! I'll shoot you a DM with more information as it comes in, if that works?
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Would have to get a non-generic version of Minecraft, if you get my meaning
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lmao
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synthie_cat 12/20/2022 8:47 PM
@TenderSausage new capture card just dropped
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I present to you: The GB Interceptor. It is an adapter that goes between an unmodified Game Boy and the cartridge and offers a video stream of the game via USB. Click the image to see the video on youtube.com. The video above should give you a good overview of what it does, how it works and what its limitations are. This article here goes more i...
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TenderSausage 12/20/2022 8:52 PM
Pretty interesting read, especially the bit about the lack of 2-bit color support as a standard.
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But also very impressive to achieve 29fps capture with an rp2040
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synthie_cat 12/20/2022 9:38 PM
I'm considering building some
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And add a channel point redeem to use an actual Gameboy camera as webcam
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Showing my face in 128×112 grey scale pixels will definitely improve my visuals 😏 (edited)
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An example picture of a GBC picture, 8x integer scaled, nearest neighbor, colour swapped based on the bit value
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anyone have any tips on how to get people to buy the thing that sponsored the stream? I can't seem to get people to buy it
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I personally tend to trust things sold by people that use them, and have some knowledge into how they work/are made/taste/etc
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Don't worry too much about filling a "quota" for the sponsorship. Treat it as a "nice to have", if your viewers choose to support you this way.
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Hello Fresh didn't send me anything to use, other wise i'd do a stream of like cooking it or something. but they didn't send me the materials so I can't
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Hello Fresh didn't send me anything to use, other wise i'd do a stream of like cooking it or something. but they didn't send me the materials so I can't
synthie_cat 12/22/2022 11:13 PM
It's not a direct sponsorship, Hello Fresh is basically asking you for free advertising. I don't think there's any actual encouragement you can bring to sell some of those.
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So I’m basically just hoping that someone signs ip?
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*up
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TenderSausage 12/22/2022 11:21 PM
Sounds like it
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You get a commission every time someone signs up, yeah?
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Yup, a hefty amount too
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TenderSausage 12/22/2022 11:24 PM
In comparison to other commission sales, I'm sure it's not that much. I'm sure it's borderline exploitation wages.
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Probably tbh, it’s $90 per sign up
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TenderSausage 12/22/2022 11:25 PM
Is there any incentive for the customer to sign up through you?
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It’s 65% off, I’ve been saying it on stream, but I feel like a broken record
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TenderSausage 12/22/2022 11:26 PM
You need to tweak your value proposition, then
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The discount isn't resonating with your audience
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I’ll work on that, any suggestions about how I go about doing that?
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TenderSausage 12/22/2022 11:27 PM
I guess it's about context, right? What's the 65% off mean to them? (edited)
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Is it 65% cheaper than eating out? Prepping your own meals?
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What is the value they're getting from Hello Fresh?
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Well a regular box is $90, so it becomes like $35, which is way more affordable
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But apart from that I don’t really know
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TenderSausage 12/22/2022 11:29 PM
What's in a regular box? One meal, or several? For one person, two, three plus?
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I probably need to look but I believe it’s 3 meals per box
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As far as people go I don’t know
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TenderSausage 12/22/2022 11:30 PM
So, we're talking roughly $10/meal
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With the discount, yea.
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TenderSausage 12/22/2022 11:31 PM
Compare that to what $10 will get you at home, as well as going out. Tell a story.
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Got it, thanks for the help!
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TenderSausage 12/22/2022 11:31 PM
Make it sound appealing
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Yeah, I think that’s my issue
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TenderSausage 12/22/2022 11:31 PM
Then, lead with the discounted price.
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You can say "introductory rate"
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First time price of $35, etc
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Yeah, thanks for the help! I’ll have to try that
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TenderSausage 12/22/2022 11:32 PM
Is there a minimum number of boxes?
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I don’t think so, I know I need 10 orders to get the full amount of the sponsorship
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TenderSausage 12/22/2022 11:34 PM
If there's no minimum boxes, meaning they only have to get the one, then say that too
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Less obligation
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Absolutely
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TenderSausage 12/22/2022 11:37 PM
"Buy it today, thank yourself in a couple days when a ready-to-cook meal shows up at your door."
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Throw your own flavor on it
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(bad food pun)
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Morning all! Hope everyone is having a great day!
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Morning all! Hope everyone is having a great day!
Daniel_plays32 12/23/2022 3:55 PM
im doing ok, just chilling
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TenderSausage 12/23/2022 3:55 PM
Working for a couple hours, then vacation mode!
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We got some crazy cold weather last night, dropped a bit of snow here in western Oregon.
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Daniel_plays32 12/23/2022 3:56 PM
we had a lot of snow last week, now its starting to get warmer
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Hello!
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TenderSausage
We got some crazy cold weather last night, dropped a bit of snow here in western Oregon.
i've got a bit here, was snowing this morning when I woke up
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I give up, I think i'm just gonna record a pre-made sponsored segment for my stream instead of trying to do it on the spot
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besides, that would give me a way to work it into my youtube videos faster too
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I give up, I think i'm just gonna record a pre-made sponsored segment for my stream instead of trying to do it on the spot
synthie_cat 12/23/2022 9:47 PM
Maybe you're trying to hard. Tenders pointers are pretty good but - let's be real: This offer isn't that good. Instead of upselling your audience - and risking alienating some - put a banner in your about section and see if someone maybe one day click on it. You're making yourself a marketing tool for the vague option of maybe receiving a few bucks. Is it really worth it?
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Sponsorships are normally a partnership. Automated participation in a program is an emulation of that. And yes: I know we all could do with a bit more money. Things take time and instead of trying to force it try learning from the experience
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I mean, that is a good point. It's a potential of $900, which for me is almost 1/3 of what I have to my name money wise, so it's a lot to me. But then again, I didn't expect to get a ton for it, but it's fun to see if I can get people to sign up
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but no, I probably don't need it as much as I think I do
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synthie_cat 12/23/2022 10:06 PM
That's not what I mean. I've worked with advertising agencies in that space before. A maximum payout of USD900 is not much anyway - but it becomes even cheaper for them. Ads are mostly sold for a CPM - cost per mille - price. So basically they normally pay for every time an ad is shown. The way SL is distributing it is essentially the same - yet they exploit streamers for the campaign. You likely use Streamlabs for overlays maybe even for a chatbot etc. That way they can track your viewers. That way they can market campaigns such as the one you're running to companies and monetize you without paying you directly. That reduces the price for the advertising parties while it's much more then just a text/graphic ad (which are blocked by a lot of people online anyway) and it gives them authenticity; all you get is a dangling carrot in front of you. Let's be real: Sponsorship opportunities - real ones - start when you have ±500 CCVs. Some smaller brands (e.g. those awful powdered energy drinks) might start earlier but they also pay badly. Everything before that has the same basic rule as a casino: The house always wins. Even of you'd make the maximum available payout it's cheaper then many normal ad campaigns (edited)
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Tldr: They're using you as advertising surface. They don't actually expect you to sell anything, if you do that's a bonus. They make their business with being present everywhere.
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The only sponsor I would recommend at a small size is Oodie, because you get an expensive, comfy blanket hoodie just for wearing it for one stream xD
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noted, and that's intersting to know how it works, i'll keep that in mind for other sponsorships I might get
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synthie_cat 12/23/2022 10:18 PM
We as streamers are really a strange demographic. We're investing tons in a hobby and sure - some of us maybe get to a point when it's a "sane" business decision - yet on the way to that point we're constantly getting exploited. Exploited by platforms that do fuck all to support us, advertising companies, tech companies, people on Fiverr selling the same things to dozens of people - and ourself. Just for the joy of producing content, of grinding. The meaningful para-social relationships (which sounds like an oxymoron in itself) are keeping me, personally, doing it. With all that depressing shit said: Try to be impactful in what you do. Try to outwit them with having fun; don't try to be productive. That's the only W you can take for sure.
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noted, thanks for all the advice! (edited)
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Does anyone have any alternatives to After Effects? I've switched off of editing youtube videos, but the view that I have edited After Effects has been really slow lately
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On the hello fresh discussion about how they are "exploiting" you that's a horrible look and opinion to take. Not sure if people have been burned, or screwed, or jaded, but you have to remember, most streamers, and by most I mean 99% aren't even worth the time of day to look at. Companies can get the exposure to huge amounts of Twitch viewers by going to the top 30 or so streamers If Hello Fresh wants to pay you a flat rate of $50 for a 30 second insert into a video, then you need to think to yourself, how many views would my video need to get in order to earn $50. Call it on a good day you get $3 per 1000 monetized views for YouTube advertising. Do your views get 16,000 - 17,000 views? If yes, then ask for more money. If no, then your 30 second insert is making you more money than your other videos make. As far as Twitch, if you get paid $200 to do a base 2 hour stream, 1 day break, and then a 2 hour stream, do you make $200 in advertising? If yes, then ask for more money. If not, then take the $200 and run with it. Epic games pays streamers $150 to play Fortnite for 4 hours. That's $37.50 an hour. People need to calm down with this "exploitation" banner they like to wave. If you are getting cash in hand for your time, then you either accept the deal or you don't. People can't exploit you if you don't let them
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I don't think this is the case of getting paid for just showing a short insert.
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Otherwise, Hello Fresh would be bankrupt already.
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The problem is, the platforms DO exploit the creators that put out content there.
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What we saw since YouTube started implementing ads and permanently changing their ecosystem is basically happening in a similar way on Twitch. (edited)
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I don't know how YouTube is doing now, but it never made any money for several years (same thing that happened with Twitch, Twitter and other platforms - until Zuckerberg found out how much money he could make by selling user data)
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These platforms subsisted on investments due to their massive user base, which was an "untapped gold mine" for advertisers. Eventually, it would be absurdly profitable.
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The issue here is how WE the creators are subject to the conditions imposed by the platforms, all the clauses in their ToS that binds us in one way or another to each of them.
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This is a very good subject for a future voice call
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I get a flat rate for putting in a 30 second promo for hello fresh. I also get a flat rate for doing the segment on Twitch
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I think I made about $1400 from Hello Fresh in 2022
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Also how does a company "exploit" creators
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That creator either decides they want the deal or they don't. If they do, they take the deal sign the contract. if they don't, they walk away from it
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TenderSausage 12/25/2022 12:05 AM
@Jahlon The fact you benefitted from a relationship between you and HelloFresh does not make their offers not explotative.
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The fact is they have historically offered nothing in exchange for advertising. The very nature of the agreement is exploitative in that there isn't payment until conversion; The resource that's being exploited is time, and it's stacked unfairly in HelloFresh's favor. (edited)
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It's in all of our best interest to share information and be aware when deals seem like a good idea but are intrinsically not worth perusing. Having to hit a quota before getting a payout is exploitative. (edited)
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They bank on a litany of small streamers who are only capable of netting 3-8 signups; They never have to pay for those sign-ups! It's all free advertising, baby! (edited)
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You look up the work "exploitation" and tell me that what I described above doesn't fit.
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On the hello fresh discussion about how they are "exploiting" you that's a horrible look and opinion to take. Not sure if people have been burned, or screwed, or jaded, but you have to remember, most streamers, and by most I mean 99% aren't even worth the time of day to look at. Companies can get the exposure to huge amounts of Twitch viewers by going to the top 30 or so streamers If Hello Fresh wants to pay you a flat rate of $50 for a 30 second insert into a video, then you need to think to yourself, how many views would my video need to get in order to earn $50. Call it on a good day you get $3 per 1000 monetized views for YouTube advertising. Do your views get 16,000 - 17,000 views? If yes, then ask for more money. If no, then your 30 second insert is making you more money than your other videos make. As far as Twitch, if you get paid $200 to do a base 2 hour stream, 1 day break, and then a 2 hour stream, do you make $200 in advertising? If yes, then ask for more money. If not, then take the $200 and run with it. Epic games pays streamers $150 to play Fortnite for 4 hours. That's $37.50 an hour. People need to calm down with this "exploitation" banner they like to wave. If you are getting cash in hand for your time, then you either accept the deal or you don't. People can't exploit you if you don't let them
TenderSausage 12/25/2022 12:12 AM
You're sort of right. It's a volume game. 1,000 small streamers netting 5 signups each, for no payout as we've already stated, is tacked onto the top-30 streamers who are also hawking the brand but are being paid. This is exploitation.
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Even if the payment were pennies, it would be less exploitative than a quota.
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But, as it sits, small streamers effectively subsidize larger streamers being able to be paid for their time.
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If that's a horrible take, then I'll accept that.
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Yes but thats not being exploited. You elect to take a 0 guarantee deal. Same as when you work on straight commission. If you feel exploited its simple don't take the gig. I elected to take a flat rate and a lower commission per sale. Another streamer took the high commission and had 30 or so sign ups at 125 a sign up. But saying these companies are exploiting you is a horrible take since you signed the contract.
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Besides hello fresh pays out on each conversion
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TenderSausage 12/25/2022 12:20 AM
I've never read the deal, so I'm speaking a bit out my ass. I've been a commission-only sales person, and fully understand what I'm talking about there, though. Taking a bad deal doesn't make the deal not exploitative. It makes you a bad business person. A lot of small streamers are bad business people.
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I'm trying to ensure people in this community aren't taken advantage of.
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Then maybe make sure you read the deal before you allow a company to be vilified
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TenderSausage 12/25/2022 12:20 AM
Based on what was said, there was a 10 signup quota from HF before payout.
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That's not a fair deal.
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I'm still waiting for you to say how it it
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I've never seen that deal
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Its been per sign up.
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Then maybe make sure you read the deal before you allow a company to be vilified
TenderSausage 12/25/2022 12:21 AM
Take your own advice, maybe
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We're both at the same spot
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I've seen about 200 of their contracts
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TenderSausage 12/25/2022 12:22 AM
Neat
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I've never seen a min 10 deal
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TenderSausage 12/25/2022 12:22 AM
Well, that's not to say it doesn't exist
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If it does, it's exploitative
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Still not. You signed it
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If you can sell 50 its not a bad deal
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If you can sell 0 don't take the deal
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TenderSausage 12/25/2022 12:23 AM
That's also kind of my point
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If you go back and re-read, I was helping him with value proposition
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I wasn't trying to get him out of the deal.
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You're fighting a weird battle here... Taking a very combative approach to me trying to help a community member. I don't know what your goal is.
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I was giving the other side of facts for value.
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TenderSausage 12/25/2022 12:25 AM
You were defending a corporation's practices in a community space. That's what I got from it. It's a very capitalist perspective.
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It's fine, just recognize it
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I'm a capitalist. Imagine that
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TenderSausage 12/25/2022 12:26 AM
Good for you. Not everyone is.
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And not all deals are fair.
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That's why we discuss them.
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If they are signing up to make money. Thats a capitalist
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Thats capitalism.
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TenderSausage 12/25/2022 12:26 AM
Oh, sweet summer child.
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I wish it were that simple.
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Everyone on the planet has to work.
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Ok boy.
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TenderSausage 12/25/2022 12:27 AM
You just work for someone else.
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That's capitalism.
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Hmmm. My job title is CEO. Who do I work for?
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TenderSausage 12/25/2022 12:28 AM
Give it a rest, already. You've made your point.
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Is a 90 follower twitch streamer the best source of info? (edited)
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TenderSausage 12/25/2022 12:28 AM
You've not moved the needle in a positive way, and I think I'm done.
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I've provided a lot of value to this community. You've done nothing but try to shill your music and encourage people to take bad deals. 90 followers on Twitch isn't important.
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I didn't tell anyone to take any deal. I gave the other side of the way it works. In fact I said ask for more. You can get more of your numbers allow (edited)
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TenderSausage 12/25/2022 12:32 AM
What other side of "the way it works"? Please, educate me. Your first post was number soup. If I'm so misguided, please teach me.,
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I'll set my 18-year career building $70M+ businesses aside so I can be taught. (edited)
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Is your 70M business related to streaming?
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TenderSausage 12/25/2022 12:34 AM
Search me on LinkedIn if you must
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What does that have to do with anything, capitalist? Money is money.
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Let's put our CEO pants on
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Let's talk business
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Sure. You don't want to make 0? Don't take the deal. Kick it back. Say no. Streamers with 5 average viewers have what worth?
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Nearly zero
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TenderSausage 12/25/2022 12:35 AM
Not to HF
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that's 5 free signups
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You're not understanding the premise behind the deal
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Yes because every streamer has 100% conversion right? Awesome sales people. They'd be better off not streaming and going into sales.
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TenderSausage 12/25/2022 12:36 AM
You're completely ignoring dynamics, but even at 20%, that's a free sale.
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Sure. And 1 sale on every deal I've ever seen is at least 50. Sometimes as much as 125.
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TenderSausage 12/25/2022 12:37 AM
Again, according to what was said, the deal in question was held until 10 sales
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As a member of this community, would you encourage someone to take that deal?
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Would you encourage a friend to take it? (edited)
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Nope. I'd tell them better deals are in the hello fresh line up. Even for 5 average viewer streamers
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TenderSausage 12/25/2022 12:39 AM
Now we're getting somewhere! Why, praytell, would you not encourage this deal
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(Arguments bore me, I want discussion)
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Because if your average viewership is 5 and your sales floor is 10 you lack the reach (edited)
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TenderSausage 12/25/2022 12:39 AM
PERFECT REASON!
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Thank you 🙂
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We could talk about this subject for quite some time, there are a lot of dynamics at play
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But there are just SO MANY small content creators who are not business savvy.
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These people do not inherently understand bad deals or the necessity to have reach that exceeds your quota
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They just see free offer, dollar sign dollar sign
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This community is set up to help them
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Not the marketing interests
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🙂
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Yup. At the same time, I've seen the next 2 or 3 tier of deals from that vendor. You want a better deal ask for it
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TenderSausage 12/25/2022 12:43 AM
Great advice! There must be a KPI for hitting the higher tiers, then? Is it "quest" based, like you have to do 5 offers before you can move up?
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Nope. When I rejected one right after a successful one they came back 2 days later with a new one.
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TenderSausage 12/25/2022 12:50 AM
So there’s some kind of rolling queue of tasks. Interesting.
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Doubt it. And the 0 of 10 that is on the base deal is a tier goal. You get paid per sign up at a rate. Its not 10 to be done. Your first goal on your twitch panel is set for 10.
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Unless the person is in Europe then they might have some other deal.
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Looking at what he said he's on the 10 cap. Which means he can't get paid for more than 10
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TenderSausage 12/25/2022 1:55 AM
Ah, 10 cap. That is a different deal entirely.
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Jahlon
Yes but thats not being exploited. You elect to take a 0 guarantee deal. Same as when you work on straight commission. If you feel exploited its simple don't take the gig. I elected to take a flat rate and a lower commission per sale. Another streamer took the high commission and had 30 or so sign ups at 125 a sign up. But saying these companies are exploiting you is a horrible take since you signed the contract.
synthie_cat 12/25/2022 8:52 AM
See, the biggest mistake you made from my perspective in this discussion is that you elected to speak about a different problem. I was outlining and explaining the systemic failure on how advertising with streamers work; how there is a power imbalance which results in exploitative behavior were only a selected few can benefit massively while the appeal for the company is to get a broad foundation of people advocating for them. It's kinda triangle shaped if you think about it. Really reminds me of a certain ancient Egyptian construction of tombs, but that's probably just my interpretation. 😏 Yet you speak about a deal that seems to kinda have worked out for you. Tender has said all the further important points. I am glad you benefitted from your deals thus far yet you mostly argue that status - e.g. of viewership - is the important metric while you conveniently ignore the "reverse funnel" nature of platforms. No, Twitch / Amazon / Advertisers do not lose money on small streamers, otherwise they would require you to pay to be able to stream. They also deliberately abuse the power they have (meta data collection, constant advertisement A-B testing as well as above mentioned dangling carrot strategies) to vet people who have the prospect of making more money for them. Otherwise it would be like injecting growth hormones into a tumor - Daddy B. would have pulled the plug long ago. Further evidence can be found in the way they are treating "partners" - what a cursed word in the context; partnership requires communication on eye-level - from the very get-go:
  • Even if you reach the arbitrary metrics they announce that you have to reach to become "partnered" they can still elect to not make you one
  • Recent reduction of the payout
  • A lot more Feel free to reply; however I am relatively sure that we both will just continue to disagree. And that's fine; yet I deemed it important enough to differentiate my opinion in this way to long text as this is a "public" chat.
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Feel free to tell me that I should elaborate on the "- a lot more"; had to cut it down since I was running out of message space. 😄
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I don't think this discussion is even worth having anymore.
11:38 AM
Should have been over when this person started disregarding other people's circumstances, experiences and knowledge, and started directing personal attacks at Tender.
11:38 AM
Imagine if streaming knowledge was related to follower number...
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This community is, and will remain, a safe space for discussions between our members that choose to share their knowledge in benefit of others. We don't charge for knowledge or technical support, we don't act as gatekeepers based on channel numbers or metrics, and we definitely don't need discussions turning into personal attacks.
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Also, Merry Christmas and Feliz Natal, you guys are the best volleyball team I had the honor of playing with
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God Jul to you also Thercio ❤️ hope everyone's having a good day no matter what the day entails
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TenderSausage 12/25/2022 3:17 PM
I regret slinging myself, and I reached out afterward, no harm no foul. One thing that was highlighted is the importance of timing when accepting deals. For small content creators, understanding when to act on a deal is just as important as understanding the deal itself. On a 10-cap deal, these are really designed for co tent creators who can support a quick 10 sales and earn a cool $900 in the process. There’s nothing inherently exploitative about that, and it is unwise to take that deal when your reach is 5, like was mentioned above. And ultimately it is each of our responsibility to understand the deals we sign before we sign them.
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I got a question to all. So I streamed yesterday and got hit by exactly 69 bot followers. Now I recently broke up with my gf and a friend said that these bot followers are bought, is that true? Seemed a little off to me, because my brother also was hit by them a couple of times, but he got like 300-500, but exactly 69 on the 24th, which is the day Christmas is celebrated in Germany, seems too conveniently timed. Are they randomly just hitting people or do they actually need to be bought? I consider it an empty gesture if so, since they don't help me in any way.
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Kayser
I got a question to all. So I streamed yesterday and got hit by exactly 69 bot followers. Now I recently broke up with my gf and a friend said that these bot followers are bought, is that true? Seemed a little off to me, because my brother also was hit by them a couple of times, but he got like 300-500, but exactly 69 on the 24th, which is the day Christmas is celebrated in Germany, seems too conveniently timed. Are they randomly just hitting people or do they actually need to be bought? I consider it an empty gesture if so, since they don't help me in any way.
synthie_cat 12/25/2022 3:44 PM
Can be anything - just remove them with ComanderRoot.
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oh? lemme google that, no idea what that means kayser7Kek
3:46 PM
Manage your Twitch follower list, for example to remove follow bots
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thank you! I did not know about that
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synthie_cat 12/25/2022 3:55 PM
No worries, glad I could assist : ☺
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You can also add https://m.twitch.tv/sery_bot to prevent most bot follows
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Thank you! happy
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Jahlon
On the hello fresh discussion about how they are "exploiting" you that's a horrible look and opinion to take. Not sure if people have been burned, or screwed, or jaded, but you have to remember, most streamers, and by most I mean 99% aren't even worth the time of day to look at. Companies can get the exposure to huge amounts of Twitch viewers by going to the top 30 or so streamers If Hello Fresh wants to pay you a flat rate of $50 for a 30 second insert into a video, then you need to think to yourself, how many views would my video need to get in order to earn $50. Call it on a good day you get $3 per 1000 monetized views for YouTube advertising. Do your views get 16,000 - 17,000 views? If yes, then ask for more money. If no, then your 30 second insert is making you more money than your other videos make. As far as Twitch, if you get paid $200 to do a base 2 hour stream, 1 day break, and then a 2 hour stream, do you make $200 in advertising? If yes, then ask for more money. If not, then take the $200 and run with it. Epic games pays streamers $150 to play Fortnite for 4 hours. That's $37.50 an hour. People need to calm down with this "exploitation" banner they like to wave. If you are getting cash in hand for your time, then you either accept the deal or you don't. People can't exploit you if you don't let them
I mean, I make almost $0.20 per stream on a really good day from advertising revenue, so I jumped on the $900 without really looking at what it was. Will I still make something off of it? yes, cause my dad had been looking at signing up for a while and now with the discount they gave me for my viewers to use it makes sense.
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VanashePanda 12/26/2022 9:10 PM
@Mods hey folks, you've got people from this server who are sending unsolicited DMs to streamers trying to sell their services.
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VanashePanda
@Mods hey folks, you've got people from this server who are sending unsolicited DMs to streamers trying to sell their services.
Send me a dm so they get the banhammer.
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If anyone gets any message from any so-called "artist" or "designer", take a screenshot, block them and DM the screenshot to me or any of the other @Mods, so that we can remove these accounts and keep our server clean. Not a single artist that creates value for others through their work will send DMs to anyone to promote their services. Any legit artist that wishes to do so will try to get in touch with the moderators and/or admins of the communities they are a part of, to promote their work without disrupting the community. Our community, for example, has the #⭐│commissions channel (soon to be updated into a forum channel for testing), and we already have a few verified artists that have been reviewed and allowed to post there.
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Daniel_plays32 12/27/2022 3:23 PM
yeah ive gotten a few messages from these "artists", not from this server tho (edited)
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Deleted User 12/28/2022 4:11 AM
so have I. Always good to be a little skeptical.
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Same
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I used to be in a f4f server, and the amount of "artists" I got from that server was way too many. Most of the time I just never respond to them
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@TenderSausage I have done the unthinkable and actually scaled back my setup, removing three cameras Scared But also adding one really awesome mirrorless camera for the massive visual upgrade HypeShake
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Nebbish Wizard#3194 12/30/2022 7:15 AM
How do I become a streamers trusty sidekick?
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Nebbish Wizard#3194
How do I become a streamers trusty sidekick?
What does a streamer's sidekick do, in your perspective?
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thanks @synthie_cat finally got rid of the bots, took a few days but back to my original follower numbers kayser7Love
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Thercio
What does a streamer's sidekick do, in your perspective?
Nebbish Wizard#3194 12/30/2022 6:04 PM
fight bad guys
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@TenderSausage I have done the unthinkable and actually scaled back my setup, removing three cameras Scared But also adding one really awesome mirrorless camera for the massive visual upgrade HypeShake
TenderSausage 12/30/2022 6:22 PM
Which cam did you end up with?
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TenderSausage
Which cam did you end up with?
A Canon M50 Mk 2 Awe The image quality upgrade is INSANE.
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TenderSausage 12/30/2022 6:26 PM
YOU GO, BOYYYY!!!!
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It looks SO clean.
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I’m finally addressing the sound issues in my house.
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TenderSausage
It looks SO clean.
I’m so impressed with the image quality. And I can, like, use it as a camera too 😂
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TenderSausage 12/30/2022 6:30 PM
That was one of the biggest factors when I got my a6400
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TenderSausage
I’m finally addressing the sound issues in my house.
There's me again!
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TenderSausage 12/30/2022 6:30 PM
Like, an actual usable camera.
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Thercio
There's me again!
TenderSausage 12/30/2022 6:31 PM
You keep photobombing all my shots!
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Guest-starring in your shots (edited)
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TenderSausage 12/30/2022 6:31 PM
This is true.
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LCURVF
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I've been planning on how to improve the sound here in our office, so I used SketchUp to experiment a bit.
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TenderSausage 12/30/2022 6:39 PM
SketchUp is great, innit?
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Currently, both PCs are over the table, but they'll be going under it when we get around to make that support
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It's fantastic
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TenderSausage 12/30/2022 6:41 PM
I think my next non-streaming project is going to be building a greenhouse for my wife to grow plants in
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I'm thinking of adding a wall support for my monitor, to have my side of the desk be cable-free, as it is on my girlfriend's side
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TenderSausage 12/30/2022 6:43 PM
I personally wish I had mounted more stuff to the wall
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Mostly because I tend to fidget/vibrate, which transfers through to my monitors and camera.
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A wall brace might help with that
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But treating the wall behind the monitors is a great step forward
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TenderSausage
I personally wish I had mounted more stuff to the wall
It's my ultimate goal. I don't want to leave anything over my desk that can be stored vertically
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In the future, I'll look into support arms, that I can get lights on
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TenderSausage 12/30/2022 6:47 PM
It’s all about these SmallRig clamps and arms. I’m sure there’s a knockoff online by now.
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There must be!
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Thercio
It's my ultimate goal. I don't want to leave anything over my desk that can be stored vertically
TenderSausage 12/30/2022 6:51 PM
I want to add Legrand cable management to my office at some point: https://res.cloudinary.com/avd/image/upload/v1644260341/Resources/On-Q/SA-IWP1-W1-SellSheet.pdf
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Found this one for 15$ on AliExpress
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TenderSausage
I want to add Legrand cable management to my office at some point: https://res.cloudinary.com/avd/image/upload/v1644260341/Resources/On-Q/SA-IWP1-W1-SellSheet.pdf
This looks really good for cable-managing in offices, where besides getting the job done, it gotta look good
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TenderSausage
It’s all about these SmallRig clamps and arms. I’m sure there’s a knockoff online by now.
Smallrig rocks, I have that clamp holding my overhead camera and light, and a Smallrig tripod for the new camera HypeShake
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Chorazin
Smallrig rocks, I have that clamp holding my overhead camera and light, and a Smallrig tripod for the new camera HypeShake
TenderSausage 12/30/2022 6:58 PM
They are, quite literally, the best rigging products I've ever used.
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Thercio
Found this one for 15$ on AliExpress
TenderSausage 12/30/2022 6:59 PM
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If shipping isn't crazy expensive, the actual SmallRig options don't break the bank either
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The $15 looks like it'll do the job
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But the articulation and holding power of the SmallRig arm is really quite impressive.
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I'd say necessary for large cameras like mirrorless cams
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This one is 43$ here. Not bad, compared to other stuff I've seen lol
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Wild how good they are for the price.
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TenderSausage 12/30/2022 7:04 PM
The clamp is pretty generic in design, but the arm is the important bit
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This kit with the clamp and arm was a good find! According to Keepa, it was costing twice the current price until Dec. 6th
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TenderSausage 12/30/2022 7:07 PM
The market price fluctuations there are nuts
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Definitely. There's no easily perceivable average price for these things, so I gotta be constantly researching prices, models and alternatives..
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synthie_cat 12/31/2022 11:14 PM
It's 12am here so: Happy New Year y'all! Hope you'll have a great start into 2023. 🙂
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Happy New Year!
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Happy New Year! ♥
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Marmaduck 1/1/2023 6:08 AM
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!
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ChronicMayhem 1/1/2023 5:40 PM
Yooooo happy new year everyone!