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Their art schools certainly are
Ahahahahaha you fucker
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Glad I lost them otherwise I wouldn’t be able to fight for managed democracy 
anyways I don’t wanna talk abt it jst a fun thing to troll ppl with
anyways I don’t wanna talk abt it jst a fun thing to troll ppl with
Ahahahahaha you fucker
I’m just saying, certain things happened over a skill issue
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I’m just saying, certain things happened over a skill issue
He didn't even git gud
And yes I bought the crew 2 yesterday, and I wasn’t able to play it till now, and it went badly disconnected all the time, then all of the sudden some maintenance being done, am super frustrated 
What if I told you I don't want to talk about something but I'm gonna mention it and then tell you I didn't actually do the thing I mentioned.
- Mums on Facebook circa 2012
Vague open ended passive aggressive comment
- Facebook, 2024
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Democracy Protects
And yes I bought the crew 2 yesterday, and I wasn’t able to play it till now, and it went badly disconnected all the time, then all of the sudden some maintenance being done, am super frustrated
Refund it. The Crew is known to just shut down servers willy-nilly.
Hellow
Hey hey 
Hey hey
How are you ?
Good afternoon darlings.
Mornings 
Refund it. The Crew is known to just shut down servers willy-nilly.
It was discounted to less than a dollar
Refund it. The Crew is known to just shut down servers willy-nilly.
80cents 
How are you ?
All is greatly good 
and u
and u
All is greatly good and u
and u
i am also good
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Mornings
What's going on with you?
@Kriegsman 2oom | GL-21 Enjoyer I love it when fools act up, most of the time they just get homophobic and I get their date's number
My mom is easy. Don’t let it get to your head.
What's going on with you?
Yeah, things are rather meh at the moment. Another +30 day. Weather has gone bonkers.
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Yeah, things are rather meh at the moment. Another +30 day. Weather has gone bonkers.
Got to go with the family for a bit BRB 
Got to go with the family for a bit BRB
Poke me when you get back please and enjoy yourself ❤️
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My mom is easy. Don’t let it get to your head.
You do NOT speak of that wonderful lady that way! Keep your mom's name out ya damn mouth
Who want to play Space Marine 2 ?
Vague open ended passive aggressive comment
- Facebook, 2024
Ain't that like... Every social media website in 2024?
Good morning
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But only for something you've chosen to do
thats the catch
if you think highschool is bad just wait until your forced in college from 9 to 5 nearly every day with horrific teachers that have as much emotion as a automaton and giving you a 2 minute deadline to complete a 5000 word document
Where are you going that this is a thing…?
Where are you going that this is a thing…?
the so called number one college in my area
Are you perchance a engineering-esque major or computer science? (Yes I said Perchance)
IT and business close enough
if you think highschool is bad just wait until your forced in college from 9 to 5 nearly every day with horrific teachers that have as much emotion as a automaton and giving you a 2 minute deadline to complete a 5000 word document
You’re being forced to do something you chose to do?
You’re being forced to do something you chose to do?
no other course options
IT and business close enough
Yeah that's the reasoning right there 
yall got it rough lmao, my major doesnt require me to touch math or anything of the sorts so I can do stuff that comes easy to me normally luckily
yall got it rough lmao, my major doesnt require me to touch math or anything of the sorts so I can do stuff that comes easy to me normally luckily
Good morning
Hellos.
yeah fuck you whoever said college is better than high schpol
You picked the college, you get to take it. Or change to another one more to your liking.
cant switch colleges or drop out since my parents are delusional to how my college has got high ratings
You're the master of your own life, screw them.
it's so quiet hereeee 
Do you want it to be noisy?
Nah. I was just expecting people to be chatting here. Lol
That's for #hellposting 
That's for #hellposting
Too chaotic... I'd rather hang out here in off-topic
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Too chaotic... I'd rather hang out here in off-topic
What you been up to this weekend?
What you been up to this weekend?
Been rather empty.
Been rather empty.
Mine is full of action
Mine is full of action
Hope you're enjoying yourself.
What you been up to this weekend?
I just got home from a camping trip, now I'm back to dealing with some family drama. Yaaaay 
Hope you're enjoying yourself.
Aww yeah, always enjoy myself, look on the bright side of stuff
Aww yeah, always enjoy myself, look on the bright side of stuff
That can be quite difficult at times.
Well, at least you got a family eh? Where did you camp?
some random camp my friends to go, I forgot what it was called 
I just got home from a camping trip, now I'm back to dealing with some family drama. Yaaaay
Sorry to hear about family, I understand Tell us about the camping when you're not dealing with bullshit and I can share some of the new gear I got for my next trip
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Sorry to hear about family, I understand Tell us about the camping when you're not dealing with bullshit and I can share some of the new gear I got for my next trip
This trip was very last minute, so I forgot a bunch of stuff... but luckily there was a store nearby lol
This trip was very last minute, so I forgot a bunch of stuff... but luckily there was a store nearby lol
All my friends make fun of me because I always have survival equipment in my bag
And were the views nice at least? I miss going camping for sure.
Mmhm! We were close to a lake, so once it got dark, it was pretty to go out and watch the water. I'm just glad to be home to get a shower xD
SweatyKat26
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All my friends make fun of me because I always have survival equipment in my bag
I'm the complete opposite, I'll bring the bare minimum to trips like this.
Mmhm! We were close to a lake, so once it got dark, it was pretty to go out and watch the water. I'm just glad to be home to get a shower xD
Did you see any auroras?
Did you see any auroras?
Sadly no, where I am we rarely see them
Sadly no, where I am we rarely see them
Well, they might show up soon. Keep an eye on spaceweather.com They went down to Florida recently. So I'm sure you saw something. Just dind't pay attention.
Well, they might show up soon. Keep an eye on spaceweather.com They went down to Florida recently. So I'm sure you saw something. Just dind't pay attention.
I'll keep that in mind! I think last month they were visible near me. I just never went out of my way to look for them
Bruh. So my singles church got divided into age limits. I get to stay in the 18-25 one despite being 27. For one reason. I’m ageless and look like I’m 18, and the Bishop said he needs my positive energy.
Hmm? There's a church for singles now?
They are going to flare up massively again soon. Tripod, camera, long exposure. Always have those with you at night.
thanks for the info! I'll have to reach out to one of my friends that works at NASA about this. Maybe she'll be interested in it :]
What up sigmas :3
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What up sigmas :3
Hello stranger.
So, one more year of being in the youthful and fun church. I dread having to go to the 26-35 age limit church.
Not quite sure why you are all separated like that but ah well.
Hello stranger.
What up swan!
They conveniently gave me a calling before this new change happened.
The church gave you a calling?
What up swan!
Evening time. Sipping tea. Honking at random strangers.
Evening time. Sipping tea. Honking at random strangers.
Rad, still more of a coffee guy even at night but tea does have the “life is good” vibe
Rad, still more of a coffee guy even at night but tea does have the “life is good” vibe
Life is most definately not good, so tea is helping me stay alive. Never had a drop of cawfee in my life.
Life is most definately not good, so tea is helping me stay alive. Never had a drop of cawfee in my life.
lol I relate coffee keeps me awake and that’s what I have been needing
Yeah I’m in charge of the after church parties. Like I’m a greeter. I was in it before. I just go up to people who come in and welcome them
That's some weird-ass worship if you ask me. Where's the common five hour prayer on your feet? Where's the smoking priests and atonement?
I’ve gone on some really good dates from this singles church. Nothing became serious but I made some really good friends of the opposite sex.
I wish I had that level of charisma :(
I wouldn't mind a life partner, but not in this country.
Eh I mean this place isn’t the best either my girlfriend is in America rn we have met a couple times it’s a long distance thing at least until we get our educations sorted so we can get into job hunting
Well I mean, women know my name and ask me what I’ve been doing every week. I can’t remember all of them but I do know their faces.
I never remember faces it’s such a hard thing for me, probably cuz I can’t do eye contact for the life of me
Well I mean, women know my name and ask me what I’ve been doing every week. I can’t remember all of them but I do know their faces.
Man.
I sorta hate where I’m living at the moment
Yup. But I've yet to find anyone who'd like to live elsewhere with me.
Yup. But I've yet to find anyone who'd like to live elsewhere with me.
Hey man you will never find the right person if you go out there looking they always just come up in the weirdest places
Remember to love yourself
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Hey man you will never find the right person if you go out there looking they always just come up in the weirdest places
Kinda running out of time sadly.
Kinda running out of time sadly.
How so? Feeling your getting old?
I can’t tell you guys the amount of times I’ve just walked up to some woman I’ve been interested in church and just said, “Hey, I think it’d be kinda fun if you and your friend there went on group date with me and so and so.” And it worked
I started my relationship with my girlfriend by calling her “cult leader dude” so have that pick up line ready single men
How so? Feeling your getting old?
More like the border will close and a general mobilization announced in November. Russia, you know.
I can’t tell you guys the amount of times I’ve just walked up to some woman I’ve been interested in church and just said, “Hey, I think it’d be kinda fun if you and your friend there went on group date with me and so and so.” And it worked
How un-chaste of them!
More like the border will close and a general mobilization announced in November. Russia, you know.
Russia has such good culture the people in charge just ruin it
Russia has such good culture the people in charge just ruin it
Aye.
I grew up playing stuff like metro and listening to hardbass I get its fairly surface level stuff but still more to appreciate than here
Metro? As in 2033, last light and exodus?
I grew up playing stuff like metro and listening to hardbass I get its fairly surface level stuff but still more to appreciate than here
You grew up playing it and listening to it? Sounds like I am three times as old as you 
Made in the USSR!
Made in the USSR!
Metro? As in 2033, last light and exodus?
All of them! Some better than others…
All of them! Some better than others…
I want the newest metro game but I ain't got a vr
You grew up playing it and listening to it? Sounds like I am three times as old as you Made in the USSR!
Made in the USSR!
lol I’m glad I can cheer you up though
I grew up with Paperboy, Digger and Lode Runner
On Dendy!
I want the newest metro game but I ain't got a vr
Same man but it does seem a little gimmicky but damn I just want some metro…
On Dendy!
We had 1 to 3 colours too remember
I wish I could forget Exodus entirely so I could play it for the first time again
My childhood was made during my time playing that game
I hate anything post-apoc and zombie and horror. So I don't play it, it's too dang emotional for me!
I love the emotions though!
Small game devs tend to make some way better stuff than the large ones
Btw check out madness project nexus it’s made by two guys and it’s an amazing game
So balatro, DooM II and Helldivers it is.
Also grew up on old doom mods god those where the times
I was really young compared to everyone else in the community lol my dad was installing mod packs for me it was rad
WAD files FTW! HAve you played the new official DooM episode? I managed to get to Spiral City and then ragequit.
Hi
All you say is hi and hello. Do you know any other words?
WAD files FTW! HAve you played the new official DooM episode? I managed to get to Spiral City and then ragequit.
The new official doom stuff is so fucking hard now
Hi
Hey Mav! Hru?
The new official doom stuff is so fucking hard now
Do you have NightDive DooM?
All you say is hi and hello. Do you know any other words?
I always forget to continue my conversations because i don't get pings sometimes, i do speak english as a third language though haha
Do you have NightDive DooM?
I mainly run brutal doom cuz I love the guts
Hey Mav! Hru?
good how are you?
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I mainly run brutal doom cuz I love the guts
Do you have it on Steam?
I always forget to continue my conversations because i don't get pings sometimes, i do speak english as a third language though haha
Which three do you speak?
Which three do you speak?
French, Spanish, English are my fluent ones
Do you have it on Steam?
Now I do, originally I had some old ass exe
good how are you?
I'm doing good! Currently trying to figure out dinner :3
Now I do, originally I had some old ass exe
Now open the Steam game and start the new Episode. Tell me what you think of Spiral City.
I'm doing good! Currently trying to figure out dinner :3
oh nice! I had some junk food plus a salad for dinner haha
Now open the Steam game and start the new Episode. Tell me what you think of Spiral City.
Not at ma computer rn! Won’t be for a week or so but I will try to get stuck into it asap
Not at ma computer rn! Won’t be for a week or so but I will try to get stuck into it asap
Poke me when you have then.
good how are you?
Quite so meh, but what can you do eh?
Also, why 451? Are you referring to Bradburry?
I’m referencing the system shock door code
I’m referencing the system shock door code
You know that that is referring to though?
You know that that is referring to though?
Their door code for their offices right?
Quite so meh, but what can you do eh?
yeah i feel that, I'm about the same. Very 'meh' day eh
oh nice! I had some junk food plus a salad for dinner haha
I might make some soup, I woke up with a sore throat this morning, so im hoping maybe it'll help.
Their door code for their offices right?
I might make some soup, I woke up with a sore throat this morning, so im hoping maybe it'll help.
Honey helps.
Honey helps.
I made some tea earlier with honey. It helped for a little while.
I made some tea earlier with honey. It helped for a little while.
Honey you eat on the side and let it coat your throat. In tea it's kinda useless.
Honey you eat on the side and let it coat your throat. In tea it's kinda useless.
yeah... I dont usually have straight honey, it's too sweet.
yeah... I dont usually have straight honey, it's too sweet.
It might help your throat.
Boa tarde.
Boa tarde.
Tarde. Tudo bem com você?
Tarde. Tudo bem com você?
I don't speak Portuguese do Brazil either, fren. Still just a courteous greeting :3
I don't speak Portuguese do Brazil either, fren. Still just a courteous greeting :3
It might help your throat.
ikkk. I'd just rather find other things. I'll figure it out
I always say it’s useful to carry atleast 3 gemstone in your pocket. One for the mind to help keep it clear, one for the throat to help you speak clearly, and one to ward off negative energy.
That doesn't sound very Christian of you.
Good night darlings.
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Why is it so fucking hooooooot. I always feel like Im dying
Greetings... You want some WATER?
Greetings... You want some WATER?
Yes.
(context: 80% of my country is flooding as we speak)
Czech?
Czech?
Yep
Hope you're ok. The sky hates your country rn
I'm lucky enough to be in the west, so all we got here so far is some light rain these past few days. No flooding at all.
(context: 80% of my country is flooding as we speak)
"Water, water everywhere, and not a drop to drink" https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43997/the-rime-of-the-ancient-mariner-text-of-1834
Yep
You're supposed to say Czech mate
You're supposed to say Czech mate
I leave the puns to you. I know how much you love them
I leave the puns to you. I know how much you love them
I was trying to change your humour setting to above 60% https://youtu.be/p3PfKf0ndik
I was trying to change your humour setting to above 60% https://youtu.be/p3PfKf0ndik
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Fine stay at 40% Rusty
halloo
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(context: 80% of my country is flooding as we speak)
Get a safety straw and start slurpin.
They took away my pride and joy
It's not yours but it's still there #hellposting
god, i can't wait to get helldivers, i literally worked like 3 months at a part time job saving money for a computer that can actually run it
Man, I miss how that felt. Such a good feeling when you grind for your rig and it actually POSTs
Man, I miss how that felt. Such a good feeling when you grind for your rig and it actually POSTs
No better feeling than building a rig after 6 months of planning and 3 hours of assembly and having it work first try.
Are memes allowed here or no?
Go ahead, Meme 
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Are memes allowed here or no?
#hellposting the toilet allows for them
No better feeling than building a rig after 6 months of planning and 3 hours of assembly and having it work first try.
You should have seen the rig I built for Crysis
You should have seen the rig I built for Crysis
You got photos?
You got photos?
From that long ago, I wish
I read that and all I can think is "PERSONAL SPACE HEATER"
Next case I bought was this, still have it https://www.newegg.com/black-silver-cooler-master-cosmos-1000-atx-full-tower/p/N82E16811119138
Next case I bought was this, still have it https://www.newegg.com/black-silver-cooler-master-cosmos-1000-atx-full-tower/p/N82E16811119138
Wait a minute... Since when do cases have HANDLES!?
@Matt Craig speaking of metal cases, I had something like this a long time ago https://images.app.goo.gl/YP2dxtMwjqYoZ1qc7
I fully admit I'm not old enough to get it... but that's really something.
To think I work with SBCs more powerful than this... Makes you think how fast tech advances.
Insane, when I first started working in IT before moving into other things computers cost thousands and all they did was access databases and a bit of word processing and spreadsheets
double baggins you finally letting go of the bean?
double baggins you finally letting go of the bean?
Hell fkn no
the bacon WILL reign
That’s what I’ve been trying to but he’s all like blah blah betrayals blah 
I have a zero tolerance policy on backstabbing
You shouldnt play spy on TF2
You shouldnt play spy on TF2
Never!
Even tho he is French so ew anyways
Wait he is??!
Wait he is??!
Yeah
You ever had bacon in the milkshakes at Five Guys?
You ever had bacon in the milkshakes at Five Guys?
Never had 5 guys lolol
Never had 5 guys lolol
Go see if they still do the malt shakes with bacon
Go see if they still do the malt shakes with bacon
NO
NO
I'm deadly serious, malt vanilla with bacon bits
I'm deadly serious, malt vanilla with bacon bits
Sounds disgusting
I guess. As much as anyone else would to a reasonable degree.
Well it's kinda like that but better because it has tiny pieces of bacon Can I just remind you that you just said bacon was disgusting. Oh how the mighty have fallen.
Bacon is not disgusting. Bacon in a milkshake sounds disgusting.
This is why the beans will never mix with the bacon, cultural differences
This isn’t Tahiti
You need more money mister
I have 15 dollars and a quarter Dont forget the quarter
Thank you my boy
So, In the channel pins it says I may post images & embeds, But in reality I can't..? Makes sense...
They took it away, best to use #hellposting
So, In the channel pins it says I may post images & embeds, But in reality I can't..? Makes sense...
BLOOD FOR THE GOD EMPEROR SKULLS FOR THE GOLDEN THRONE
For The Emperor!!!
Never had 5 guys lolol
Well, 5 does seem like a lot. Just the logistics of the planning, meetuo, execution, and subsequent cleanup makes me feel like it wouldnt be worth it. That said, if its a bucket list item for you, you could probably find an online community for that sorta thing..
Happy 18th bday to meee
Happy Birthday kiddo 
Lmao Americans
What nationality are you?
Bacon is not disgusting. Bacon in a milkshake sounds disgusting.
bacon is full of germs
What nationality are you?
Somewhere on the other side of the Atlantic
bacon is full of germs
The bacon is very dirty indeed. That’s why it must be crisped in holy butter. Fried chicken is amazing. Alliance? I know this guy that’s trying to take over the world as we know it with beans.
The bacon is very dirty indeed. That’s why it must be crisped in holy butter. Fried chicken is amazing. Alliance? I know this guy that’s trying to take over the world as we know it with beans.
guess what im eating
Somewhere on the other side of the Atlantic
Interesting
guess what im eating
Beans?
no, chickens 
Beans?
chicken doodly doo
chicken doodly doo
Interesting. Alliance?
The bacon is very dirty indeed. That’s why it must be crisped in holy butter. Fried chicken is amazing. Alliance? I know this guy that’s trying to take over the world as we know it with beans.
this guy
Somewhere on the other side of the Atlantic
At least put your money where your mouth is. Equal the playing field. A true Helldiver wouldn't live in cowardice.
Ahem, you shall refer to me with my true title
Zaddy
Zaddy
See now we're talkin What's good fluff
Just chilling at work, waiting to start doing stuff
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Just chilling at work, waiting to start doing stuff
Soon you get to poop on company time
Hell nah, we only got one of them green plastic outdoor ones
Jeez, bring your own bucket then
At least put your money where your mouth is. Equal the playing field. A true Helldiver wouldn't live in cowardice.
I mean I'm French if you really want to get so specific
I mean I'm French if you really want to get so specific
There you go, you definitely can't make fun of anyone You lot gave them the Statue of Liberty
Hey, Liberty is a sacred thing.
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BLOOD FOR THE GOD EMPEROR SKULLS FOR THE GOLDEN THRONE
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where do you report bugs?
#galactic-war
where do you report bugs?
-# IS THAT FRANK HORRIGAN AS THE NARRATOR
Oh game bugs
guys terminids in my code wont let me dive
guys terminids in my code wont let me dive
They're in the vents!
thank you
Before submitting you might want to check the recent patch notes (https://discord.com/channels/1102970375731691612/1102974169601278123/1275781036667699222) for known issues.
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Can't you just list the known issues for us in individual messages (not spam I promise)
but without the stratagems they’re cooked
True but space marines never wear helmets so just dome him with a railgun
if he's a named marine without a helmet then you might as well give up and go home
No but the space mawine will eat their special space cwayons bestowed by the god empewow himself and send the evil divers back to hell >:3
No but the space mawine will eat their special space cwayons bestowed by the god empewow himself and send the evil divers back to hell >:3
tomorrow....
potential hd2 comback
As it is written in the codex of astartes every space marine is entitled to nap time and 5 space crayons daily, degrees I Robitussin Gilimanjaro
As it is written in the codex of astartes every space marine is entitled to nap time and 5 space crayons daily, degrees I Robitussin Gilimanjaro
ipad marines
Good morning good people of earth 
Good morning good people of earth
Wait wait here it’s noon
Again every time is better 
✅
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Nah, an autogun or lasgun which is equivalent to a modern assault rifle can kill a marine if you try hard enough or get lucky. a helldiver with an eruptor could off a marine. besides, you said "full kits" that includes stratagems
A lasgun could only do it if you had them overcharged to shit and in sufficient mass fire. Even 3rd/4th edition Astartes which are way easier to kill required a Guardsman squad who knew what they were doing with overcharged equipment to merc them. Primaris are way tougher to kill depending on books and even depending on games - Maelum Caedo through the course of his fight in Warhammer Boltgun kills countless chaos soldiers, a sorcerer, countless chaos marines and 6 greater demons of Nurgle and Tzeentch all by himself. Even using Caedo as an outlier many, many marines quell entire Tyranid or heretic advances practically by themselves in a squad of 3-5
i mean, i lean more towards marines being more tabletop accurate than "lore accurate" because the lore has inflated them so hard.
By that same metric 4 Custodes could take out like 5 Titans
A lasgun could only do it if you had them overcharged to shit and in sufficient mass fire. Even 3rd/4th edition Astartes which are way easier to kill required a Guardsman squad who knew what they were doing with overcharged equipment to merc them. Primaris are way tougher to kill depending on books and even depending on games - Maelum Caedo through the course of his fight in Warhammer Boltgun kills countless chaos soldiers, a sorcerer, countless chaos marines and 6 greater demons of Nurgle and Tzeentch all by himself. Even using Caedo as an outlier many, many marines quell entire Tyranid or heretic advances practically by themselves in a squad of 3-5
Malum caedo is definitely an outlier yeah
i have the same issue with the higher-tier blood angel stuff. when it's like heehoo gold-looking power armor with modeled muscles and nipples
definitely, no one would ever model a cuirass like that. certainly never the greeks or romans..
definitely, no one would ever model a cuirass like that. certainly never the greeks or romans..
i didn't say it was unrealistic or non-historical, i just think it looks stupid.
that varies depending on writer.
Yeah but there is a difference between common conceptions and writer preference There is common conception that Megatron from Transformers is an evil tyrant and then there is the writer preference in the IDW comics that goes as far as humanize Megatron and give him a redemption arc he knows he doesn't deserve.
i didn't say it was unrealistic or non-historical, i just think it looks stupid.
"no relatable factors to being human at all" when in fact, they have real-world parallels and basis of already being a thing
"no relatable factors to being human at all" when in fact, they have real-world parallels and basis of already being a thing
i don't think having nipples on your power armor necessarily makes you relatable as a human being, besides, that isn't the thing i'm on about here.
The Space Marines are commonly not meant to be relatable
but conceptions are formed from what writers write.
but conceptions are formed from what writers write.
So what does the Space Marines being commonly unrelatable tell you?
i lost respect for dave grohl
because he cheated on his wife?
because he cheated on his wife?
yes
So what does the Space Marines being commonly unrelatable tell you?
i don't even know what you're asking at this point. i just don't like overly tall super soldiers ok?
i got no respect for people who cheat on their wife or husband
it's pretty shitty to do. but rich people do shitty things a lot.
it's pretty shitty to do. but rich people do shitty things a lot.
i know, its sad..
eh, if the worst a person ever does in their life is cheat, they're doing a lot better than most.
not sure about the logic here. most people don't cheat on their spouses
i don't even know what you're asking at this point. i just don't like overly tall super soldiers ok?
I'm trying to make you see that the Space Marines are typically written as being unrelatable and going on the tangent that they actually aren't based on nitpicking writers discretion is silly when most writers still write them as unrelatable.
not sure about the logic here. most people don't cheat on their spouses
divorce rates would say otherwise but 