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I await the lasagna pics
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Oh man, and I was already encouraged to look into this by family, lol. I'm just worried I won't remember to be around enough.
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Does it have to do with a large amount of your players being American ?
Does it have to do with a large amount of your players being American ?
It's more that we have to get some rest and we're in the CET timezone.
My goal with my education was to eventually become a community manager on some game, so my brother was telling me I should try to get some experience like this.
Come on bro aim higher don’t underestimate yourself
Not sure how y'all do it. I get frustrated just by seeing the same freaking questions asked over and over lol Specially when it's in FAQ 
My goal with my education was to eventually become a community manager on some game, so my brother was telling me I should try to get some experience like this.
It's true that's a good way to get experience.
Not sure how y'all do it. I get frustrated just by seeing the same freaking questions asked over and over lol Specially when it's in FAQ
Well, a mod doesn't have quite the same expectation that we do with answering questions. HD2 is our job. But when things are moving fast, I usually keep a text doc open with auto responses to copypaste into the chat, like "read the FAQ here" or some such.
I just don't want to disappoint people is all.
Pragmatism Is the key trait
Oh, for sure. I meant more regarding CMs. I can see the doc helping a lot xD. I would consider applying for mod but I'm not gonna be nearly as active once the game launches 
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Pragmatism Is the key trait
how am I so drowsy I read this as plagiarism
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Come on bro aim higher don’t underestimate yourself
Threw in an application. Maybe it'll go somewhere. The form had a lot of room for explanations of myself at least.
Threw in an application. Maybe it'll go somewhere. The form had a lot of room for explanations of myself at least.
for preferred name, do you like. put your real name or just what you prefer to go by on discord? im tired. maybe i shouldn't be looking at this when im so tired
for preferred name, do you like. put your real name or just what you prefer to go by on discord? im tired. maybe i shouldn't be looking at this when im so tired
This one also gave me pause. I put my real-life first name, since discord username is another question anyways.
Threw in an application. Maybe it'll go somewhere. The form had a lot of room for explanations of myself at least.
May you be chosen
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@fly go to sleep and write the application tmr when you’re fresh
This one also gave me pause. I put my real-life first name, since discord username is another question anyways.
Some people have nicknames that don't always match their Discord names.
Some people have nicknames that don't always match their Discord names.
I just didn't know how formal I needed to be, honestly.
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I chose to simply stick to my username in all purposes, try to avoid using my real name online.
me too, generally, but the rest of the mod team seems pretty transparent so i can understand why transparency is important for the rest of the applicants to some degree
@BaskinatorAlright, thanks. Then I know that all the details I put in were up to spec.
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Some of the cheese was over exposed at that edge there... But overall a decent go at lasagna
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It's not easy to make it look appetizing. I'd wager my baked goods photos are better at that
Some of the cheese was over exposed at that edge there... But overall a decent go at lasagna
so thats what a legitimate lasagna looks like
Food pictures are..... difficult. Looks good though!
Yeah, with a lot of Italian dishes, no matter what you do they kind of look like a mess? But a delicious mess.
(and my finger's muscle memory made me type lasgun instead of lasagna for like 3 times in a row just now)
Standard issue Lasgun's a good weapon!
Yeah, with a lot of Italian dishes, no matter what you do they kind of look like a mess? But a delicious mess.
Most of my dishes look off regardless of style but damn if they ain't tasty hahahah
Standard issue Lasgun's a good weapon!
meanwhile, desktop
I believe pies, cakes, and tarts are where my skills shine. 
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I believe pies, cakes, and tarts are where my skills shine.
wuh these look real good
I'm not a desert enjoyer but I'd gladly take a slice on these
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I had a little 1k point match via google slides(the last resort when you don't have money) and 6 out of 88 shots landed
That's ouchie, I haven't played TT since 5th. I just collect the models these days.
Is that cheesecake I spy
Indeed. I'm working on perfecting my cheesecake still, but that was my best one so far.
I believe pies, cakes, and tarts are where my skills shine.
If you can find time try making a caramel slice
hell yeah are we foodposting bros
I don't find the appealing of the meat pie
Meat pies are nice for just having a one stop shop for all your nutrition for the day :p
I believe pies, cakes, and tarts are where my skills shine.
WHAT WHAT WHAT... that looks so good
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That looks really good
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the gundam in the background 
That was my birthday present and dinner for myself :p
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Thats not a gundam its a zaku
I just see a mech that isn’t from battletech and just assume it’s gundam
I'm also a Battletech goblin don't worry :p
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I once called Gouf? What was his name?
Gouf is the blue one with the whip, definitely no Zaku
oh its a paradox interactive game
There is one that was published by Paradox but it's originally a tabletop wargame
I gotta get to painting my battletech minis but then I’ll also have to paint my warhammer minis 
There is one that was published by Paradox but it's originally a tabletop wargame
yeah I just saw them on google
I gotta get to painting my battletech minis but then I’ll also have to paint my warhammer minis
Painting? People do that and don't just get hundreds of minis? :p
i got like 76 warhammer dudes that need painting atm 
Omg nice! Belated happy birthday :D
Why is your pfp sometimes a cat and sometimes a human
Why is your pfp sometimes a cat and sometimes a human
Server Profiles
SOrry, i am not a shapeshifter
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Plus kinda BS having a PPC in the head slot on every mech
not me putting PPCs on all my mechs
I mean I usually do too if it's already an energy boat
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clanners,,,,
I'm not a fan of Clans and I'm doubly not a fan of Smoke Jags.
I’ve always been a crab guy tbh
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It stretches the excuse as to why you're exempt from it pretty heavily
Uh, they actively state that “if anyone finds out you’re a mercenary you will be dead before you realize you were discovered.”
Hello!
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Uh, they actively state that “if anyone finds out you’re a mercenary you will be dead before you realize you were discovered.”
The Arkabs straight up call you a Mercenary. It's piss poor writing and excuses lol.
Can I ask - how new is this server?
This server opened when the game announced in May last year.
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Adding it to the Helldivers subreddit is at the discretion of the community that runs it.
Hi
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Anyone from Malaysia?
Idunno I saw it on the helldivers steam page I think
same
Anyone from Malaysia?
about 33 million people I think
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did the old discord get deleted or something? i couldn't find it in my server list
thanks
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Hey everyone
Hey! I’m an English speaker working on my Swedish, and I’m wondering if there’s a Swedish-speaking Helldivers 2 discord server I could join? I figured Helldiving with some Swedes would be a great way to work on the language
Go to lfg bruz There’s a Swede one if you scroll down
My ground clamp may have blown up on me
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Dude there is no hydration but from water (all drinks have water in them)
But water in its purest form offer the most
Maybe but most Objective truths surround biological imperative, most things past that are educated guesses
That is why, it’s not crazy that you can view things fron a different perspective, if you are smart enough to know this then you are definitely smart enough to know the subjectivity of the human experience
Or a wild animal will maul you to death, sure it can be learned from observation but humans can observe things once and pass it on which is the key defining trait of our species, it’s not propaganda for a hunter gatherer to tell their children to say a bear will maul them to death
I'm fairly certain most everyone knows that, again biological fear of death exist in humans past like 3-4
I'm fairly certain most everyone knows that, again biological fear of death exist in humans past like 3-4
Dodos who existed on an island free of humans never learned to be scared of humans and even after humans killed them they still remained friendly which led to their extinction
Dodos who existed on an island free of humans never learned to be scared of humans and even after humans killed them they still remained friendly which led to their extinction
truthfully the dodo went extinct do to predators brought to the island accidentally
No it would mean there is an evolutionary fear of predators, when you have predators and things that kill you.
Albeit humans at this point if not taught to fear predators will certainly die because despite evolving in a predator rich environment humans have advanced to the point where things need to be taught
Well who are most likely to attack you in society, would you go by statistics?
We are arguing the point that all education is propaganda
We are arguing the point that all education is propaganda
Follow me for a second, if i told you certain strangers are more dangerous then others, would that be a lie
Follow me for a second, if i told you certain strangers are more dangerous then others, would that be a lie
A child should be taught all strangers are dangerous and past that point it will become propaganda
I am saying education is propaganda, and bringing up how "objective truths" can be used to propagandize people
And I have provided you with cases and nuance that disproves that statement, if you move past that point then that’s on you
would you like me to be more specific in the age range from 6 and beyond because I'm not buying teaching babies and toddlers not to suckle milk being the bulk of formative education
If you don’t get the fundamentals right, our whole species is doomed
I'm going to go out and get some exercise. Just reminding you to continue being civil in your interesting chat here.
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Let’s take hunter gatherer societies for example, being taught to hunt and sustain yourself while also learning about weaving, clothes making, and finding good locations to make camp isn’t propaganda it was an objective truth until mass farming came into effect
of course it was propaganda, every culture believed in different gods and weaved their baskets differently from tradition
of course it was propaganda, every culture believed in different gods and weaved their baskets differently from tradition
And despite that all baskets carried out a similar function no? Let’s be honest they weren’t weaving basket to follow a cultural narrative they were weaving baskets because that’s the only way they know how until they came into contact with other peoples in which case being taught to weave the basket in a certain way becomes propaganda
And despite that all baskets carried out a similar function no? Let’s be honest they weren’t weaving basket to follow a cultural narrative they were weaving baskets because that’s the only way they know how until they came into contact with other peoples in which case being taught to weave the basket in a certain way becomes propaganda
you'd be surprised the culture significance of containers and their traditions
you'd be surprised the culture significance of containers and their traditions
Until you come into contact with a way to do it differently the way of your people was the only way which is an objective truth for that tribe which is that spears, baskets, clothes are only made this way
Until you come into contact with a way to do it differently the way of your people was the only way which is an objective truth for that tribe which is that spears, baskets, clothes are only made this way
talk to the Japanese when the Portuguese arrived how they all overnight changed their teaching and traditions
talk to the Japanese when the Portuguese arrived how they all overnight changed their teaching and traditions
But before that the education and making of their own designs was the only objective truth there was no?
Do you guys plan on putting customization for colors of armor and/or guns?
i Believe not
talk to the Japanese when the Portuguese arrived how they all overnight changed their teaching and traditions
Education inherently isn’t propaganda until a different way is presented in which case the preference of teaching it only in the way that is preferred by the educator becomes propaganda
Education inherently isn’t propaganda until a different way is presented in which case the preference of teaching it only in the way that is preferred by the educator becomes propaganda
Can you really say that only happens when a seperate culture is put into the mix?
i Believe not
Not even for future updates I just don’t wanna get hooked on a cool set of armor and then I find a helmet but it’s a completely different color scheme
Can you really say that only happens when a seperate culture is put into the mix?
Not even a different culture, even in the same culture if a person comes up with a seperate way to do something and only teaches it that way then it has become preference which is propaganda
Not even for future updates I just don’t wanna get hooked on a cool set of armor and then I find a helmet but it’s a completely different color scheme
they might ad it far later, but seeing how the armor sets have stats baked in and have been shown with no customization currently, no
they might ad it far later, but seeing how the armor sets have stats baked in and have been shown with no customization currently, no
Damn thanks for the info
Not even a different culture, even in the same culture if a person comes up with a seperate way to do something and only teaches it that way then it has become preference which is propaganda
Now realize that you are speaking of basically a near impossibly short period in history not relevant today
Education isn’t really propaganda until a differing viewpoint is presented and it becomes propaganda to only teach it a certain way
That is nearly all modern education though
Now realize that you are speaking of basically a near impossibly short period in history not relevant today
It can still be objective if all differing viewpoints are taught simultaneously with no bias to one in which case it is objective
It can still be objective if all differing viewpoints are taught simultaneously with no bias to one in which case it is objective
Thats also next to never happens, Bias is impossible to avoid
Not impossible no but just very hard
tell me have you ever seen or heard of a education system that had no Biases
tell me have you ever seen or heard of a education system that had no Biases
Math
Math
i raise you common core
Now realize that you are speaking of basically a near impossibly short period in history not relevant today
You can’t say something is irrelevant if it happened, it disproves the blanket statement of all education is propaganda and if you want to continue arguing that point then you will continually have to edit that statement into becoming more and more specific
You can’t say something is irrelevant if it happened, it disproves the blanket statement of all education is propaganda and if you want to continue arguing that point then you will continually have to edit that statement into becoming more and more specific
its irrelovent to a discussion of current education
you're talking about "oh but what about between the time the first fire was make and grug 2 tried something different"
The argument of water, fear of predation are also included in this
which I said are biological imperatives which you didnt readily disprove
Please reread then
Another nice morning sky
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Another nice morning sky
Must be nicee
Another nice morning sky
I just realised you’ve been up since about 5 am, you are an early bird
You said you can’t accept the fact that anything taught before 6 is education
no I said that you're speaking outside the realm of what could even be defined as education blurring the line between natural knowledge and babies first. which like i stated is still propagandized
no I said that you're speaking outside the realm of what could even be defined as education blurring the line between natural knowledge and babies first. which like i stated is still propagandized
Maybe learn more about socialisation which is a form of education
no I said that you're speaking outside the realm of what could even be defined as education blurring the line between natural knowledge and babies first. which like i stated is still propagandized
If a baby isn’t stopped from consuming breast milk I assure you they will not see water as a hydration source until educated otherwise
And parents beliefs in when and what to teach their kids to eat is gained from propaganda and taught to their children
But the basic fact which is water is for hydration and food is for sustenance, which doesn’t include what type of food it is, is propaganda free education
But the basic fact which is water is for hydration and food is for sustenance, which doesn’t include what type of food it is, is propaganda free education
would you get a balanced meal from that logic
I mean its a wonderful topic for this discussion, what is the most balanced and health diet and if water is the best what kind
Leads back to the differing cultures argument
But parents don’t teach that, sure it’s propaganda but it doesn’t really prove that “All education is propaganda”
Some parents may who knows
I just realised you’ve been up since about 5 am, you are an early bird
To bed late, up early!
But parents don’t teach that, sure it’s propaganda but it doesn’t really prove that “All education is propaganda”
dude the parents taught that because they were also propagandized into believing that was "healthy"
To bed late, up early!
You are something else, but hey if I was in Sweden I’d be giddy to get up too
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dude the parents taught that because they were also propagandized into believing that was "healthy"
That that was right.
That that was right.
But the fact that breast milk isn’t meant to be consumed forever and to switch to food and water is objective education
But the fact that breast milk isn’t meant to be consumed forever and to switch to food and water is objective education
find me someone who doesn't know to eat "food" hell if you want to be so abstract about this. Milk has water and food in it why cant you just have that forever
find me someone who doesn't know to eat "food" hell if you want to be so abstract about this. Milk has water and food in it why cant you just have that forever
Because mothers can’t produce Breast milk forever?
Because mothers can’t produce Breast milk forever?
many actually can if they continue to breast feed
many actually can if they continue to breast feed
Functionally how does a mother breast milk 6 children
find me someone who doesn't know to eat "food" hell if you want to be so abstract about this. Milk has water and food in it why cant you just have that forever
But that is taught which is objective education
A child who grew up in the wild will not know that what humans are eating is food, they will see a burger but not know that it is consumable
you should tell my dog that ate my damn burger before i even got a bite
you should tell my dog that ate my damn burger before i even got a bite
A dog isn’t human
A dog isn’t human
lol come on man, the lower intelligence animal knows to eat the burger the the higher intelligence one doesn't
you should tell my dog that ate my damn burger before i even got a bite
My cats only eat cat food, I present to them right in front of their nose all of my food, they don’t touch it
a dog knows meat it seems though
Yes just as a human knows meat, but a human born in the wild won’t know a complex dish can be consumed
Yes just as a human knows meat, but a human born in the wild won’t know a complex dish can be consumed
can we talk about real isntances of food related propaganda
instead of mythical wolf men
They arent mythical
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damn i never knew their were so many
They arent mythical
are you really trying to say that there are a common enough number of "wolf raised" people that they make up a reasonable contention to a blanket statement made about society
Plus if a person isn’t taught to recognise that food and water can be consumed what will they do when their mother or grandmothers passed away?
I was making a joke
No because that human will be educated objectively by outside parties that breast milk isn’t the only form of sustenance
can you even call inference Education
"the process of receiving or giving systematic instruction, especially at a school or university."
Then you have found that subjectivity matters
what even is your point of contention that most education is propaganda but not all?
“not really, thats generally a term used by people to subvert something and change it to their own desire”
what even is your point of contention that most education is propaganda but not all?
I wouldn’t have contended you if you used most
"the process of receiving or giving systematic instruction, especially at a school or university."
This definition by your own words that “all education is propaganda” can also be said to be propaganda and subjective
This definition by your own words that “all education is propaganda” can also be said to be propaganda and subjective
Yes I and you were Propagandized
I have provided examples and thought out rebuttals to “all education is propaganda” do with that information what you will and if you remain to have the same view point , c’est la vie
Its very hard to rebut a blanket statement, that's why I didn't try and rebut you on "all art is subjective"
I’m busy I cannot accomodate you further, I urge you to rethink what you have said but if not life goes on
you don't need to be passive aggressive and talk down to me
I'm not sure if you realize you did that but in the future, dont
Or what
Hey everyone!
Not in anymore of a way then an activity to pass the time. I think you were far to much invested in finding a specific situation however minute to disprove a blanket statement instead of have a more interesting talk about how education and propaganda go hand in hand
I’ve only disproved your “all” I’ve never indicated in my arguments that education is free of propaganda, however I have indicated that it can be free of it
I’ve only disproved your “all” I’ve never indicated in my arguments that education is free of propaganda, however I have indicated that it can be free of it
My All wasn't even that hard of a framing, but you forced me into a position of talking about monkey men
My All wasn't even that hard of a framing, but you forced me into a position of talking about monkey men
I suggested a fix for that if you want to add conditions to your statements then write a more specific statement in the first place
I suggested a fix for that if you want to add conditions to your statements then write a more specific statement in the first place
I dont feel there is a way to ask you a question without sounding rude
I dont feel there is a way to ask you a question without sounding rude
Me sounding rude or you sounding rude
that's what i'm trying to say do you struggle to talk to people when they make any blanket statement
No I will just argue the blanket statement
No I will just argue the blanket statement
i mean then you do, because what do you want me to say "99.9% of education is blahblahblah"
i mean then you do, because what do you want me to say "99.9% of education is blahblahblah"
Don’t do percentages just be more specific
for a man who thinks definitions are liquid and subjective, you sure do want people to be more defined
Im just against blanket statements, I would get rid of them
Im just against blanket statements, I would get rid of them
you said "all art is subjective" ....
you said "all art is subjective" ....
I’ve searched in off topic for that statement and I can’t seem to find it
Well “Art” isn’t subjective, art is any medium creation which goal it is to provoke “thought”
Would you say the cavemen who made caves paintings wanted to provoke thought or would they have liked to leave something behind that marks their existence
It can have artistic qualities but entertainment exists to have fun (though you could broaden that to challenges and what not for games and sports)
But what about movies of tragedy or games about trauma, would you say they provoke thought or they provide fun
Can’t something be both entertainment and also provoke thought ?
Maybe but I think you can agree trying to focus on both would strain and break most peoples skills.
Like I said “you don’t go to a Colosseum to think as much as you don’t go to a gallery to watch someone bleed”
But that depends on the person no? A thinker will go to a colosseum and have some wonderful insights and if a fighter goes to the gallery they will gather nothing from it
But that depends on the person no? A thinker will go to a colosseum and have some wonderful insights and if a fighter goes to the gallery they will gather nothing from it
Haha wouldn’t the thinker just try and reason the colosseum is art for what ever pretentious reason or scoff at it as “low brow”
Haha wouldn’t the thinker just try and reason the colosseum is art for what ever pretentious reason or scoff at it as “low brow”
The depends on the open mindedness of the thinker and their background jno?
Much like sports but sports imply physical activity
Would Dance be an art form ? Or a sport ?
Not really because think if you could draw a mustache on the Mona Lesa
Wdym
If a game designer creates a town much like the artist it is elevated because you can walk through it, hear it, see it in 3 dimensions
We also see that the most “artistic” games are the most linear.
We also see that the most “artistic” games are the most linear.
Isn’t a painting one dimensional?
I mean in the story (linear), like the last of us, you can’t interact however you please, it plays much like a movie
You don’t consider movies to be art yes?
Like I said they can move on a spectrum but I think most movies the majority of people watch lean on entertainment.
Doesn’t a movie or game have to be attention catching the same way a painting has to catch the eye?
Does a painting have to be attention catching, Mutch of art is it’s subtleties
But a paintings popularity is decided upon by its ability to generate buzz through conveying a theme/message
But to my previous point an artist has a message, they want that to ring through their piece, often getting pleasure in never truly explaining things. If I could walk up and paint over his piece I would suppose my “vision” over his and destroy what message he made.
Can’t a game have a subtle message which is up to interpretation ? Some games leave their message very subtly too
It catches attention based on how much it’s talked about and analysed right
Well it’s sold on why you should “invest” in this dead man’s art, often regaling how “weird” the artist was.
Can’t a game have a subtle message which is up to interpretation ? Some games leave their message very subtly too
Yes but you have to decrease the level of interactivity
Yes but you have to decrease the level of interactivity
But then painting is attributed as art without needing to be interactive and solely upon its ability to convey a message ?
Not necessarily but often the few “art” pieces that were interactive were to show some quality of humanity
Do you agree that game design allows the creator an even wider array tools and capabilities to create art even more so than paintings ?
Do you agree that game design allows the creator an even wider array tools and capabilities to create art even more so than paintings ?
You didn’t answer my question before do you know the genre “walking sims”
Do you agree that game design allows the creator an even wider array tools and capabilities to create art even more so than paintings ?
I’ll use this analogy, I can be the smartest and most well spoken person in the room but if every time I try and say something you talk over me, no one will ever know it. Do you get what I’m trying to say?
I’ll use this analogy, I can be the smartest and most well spoken person in the room but if every time I try and say something you talk over me, no one will ever know it. Do you get what I’m trying to say?
Do you send several sentences with follow up? Can’t you send the whole thing in one paragraph
Do you send several sentences with follow up? Can’t you send the whole thing in one paragraph
I was trying ask a question that was pertinent, and continue where you left off. But do you get what I mean?
always freaks me out
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@Baskinator May I suggest putting this in the #hd2-announcements so if people ask for local time for release we can direct people there?
<t:1707382800> It is a timestamp which will automatically adjust to the local time. Here is a link with more info and options. https://gist.github.com/LeviSnoot/d9147767abeef2f770e9ddcd91eb85aa
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@Baskinator May I suggest putting this in the #hd2-announcements so if people ask for local time for release we can direct people there?
<t:1707382800> It is a timestamp which will automatically adjust to the local time. Here is a link with more info and options. https://gist.github.com/LeviSnoot/d9147767abeef2f770e9ddcd91eb85aa
Yeah, we have it in the FAQ, but I can add it to the map post.
Yeah, we have it in the FAQ, but I can add it to the map post.
Oh neat, I didn't see it
Hello there. Just pre-purchased H2 on Steam. Looking forward to laying waste to the xenoscourge and accidentally nuking the odd teammate.
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oh im glad it releases at 9am my time in uk - doesnt feel like a wasted day off work now
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Hello ! Happy to be able to play all along Thursday afternoon ! Aren't you ?
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hello whos ready for democracy
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